Finally mages are balanced!

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thread starter Veneni Jun 19 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

All those people whining about the ultimate cooldown, and how bishops are screwed and all that is getting annoing. Take a look at the whole picture before telling everyone you're gonne quit: (base% -> aftermagicamp%=*1.3) 3th job: IL mage: - Ice strike 260% -> 338% - Compo arrow 430 -> 559% - Thunderspear 80% -> 104% Though it has a % of stun and probably more since 80% is pretty low FP mage: - Explosion 280% -> 364% - Compo arrow 430% -> 559% Priests: - Shining ray 400% ! - Dragon 350% ! - criticals ! (40% activation rate, not sure about how much +Dmg it is) 4th job: IL archmages: - Blizzard 1100% -> 1430% - Chain lightning 500% -> 650% ! - Ifrit 330% - Ice Demon 240% -> 312% FP archmages: - Meteo 1250% -> 1625 - Paralyse 660% -> 858% ! - Elquines 360% - Fire demon 280% -> 364% Bishops: - Genesis 1300% - Angel ray 680% ! - Bahamut 500% ! For all: - Infinity now does +10% dmg, 10% hp&mp recovery every 4 sec, 40s duration with 6 min cooldown. - Mana reflection now returns 1000% of dmg taken (useful at bossing now!) SOURCE: THE FORUM THAT MUST NOT BE NAMED Though we don't know what the base attack of mages will be, if we assume they keep the damage of ultimates the same as they are now, it would mean skills like chain lightning, paralyse and angel ray DOUBLE in damage. So, while ultimates will be nerfed, other skills will be buffed alot so training won't be crippled (I would 1hit qualm guards with CL with above assumption). My hope is it also balances us out with other classes, so even bishops will be dealing significant damage! (Also, since PB is lightning weak, watch it be killed by an all IL AM run!)

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junnypwnz 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Ill still quit no spammable gen f444

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Lunt 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

How is a/m stronger in all skills in 4h job compared to i/l balanced for you?

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junnypwnz 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Lol dw i already quit like 1-2 months ago lmfao

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Veneni 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Lunt : How is a/m stronger in all skills in 4h job compared to i/l balanced for you? [/quote] CL mobs.

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urboyrob + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

yea for AM's its all fine and dandy. but have u notice how slow AR is for bishops? I don't have a bishop personally on my own, but i train with bishops a lot, and their AR is extremely slow. even if Ar is 2 times stronger, its still super slow to use it as one of their main attacks. ultimately, if bishops should be nerf down along that path, then bishops at least should get a new skill similar what Am's has in 4th. edit: oh and summons attacks slow too. so, bishops are sorta in a "loose-loose" situation which sucks. cuz i know a few bishops friends =/

Sp4ceG04t 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

as a am i can say this still sucks. As it is the curent balance patch is mutch better the buff to cl bliz/meto para and amp are good, and spaming ultamates dose have its alure. To put it bluntly WTF why completly revamp how everyone plays they play that style for a reson i have a evan because i like my single direction mobs and awsom single strikes i dont want my am to just be a evan with a stronger ultamate and no dragon.

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Attributes 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

But then what makes Mages stand out now that they are partially debilitated?

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Veneni + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] urboyrob : yea for AM's its all fine and dandy. but have u notice how slow AR is for bishops? I don't have a bishop personally on my own, but i train with bishops a lot, and their AR is extremely slow. even if Ar is 2 times stronger, its still super slow to use it as one of their main attacks. ultimately, if bishops should be nerf down along that path, then bishops at least should get a new skill similar what Am's has in 4th. edit: oh and summons attacks slow too. so, bishops are sorta in a "loose-loose" situation which sucks. cuz i know a few bishops friends =/ [/quote] Ofcourse bishops will kill slower than mages, but they will gain more exp because of HS. Also bishops are still going to be wanted more for bossing, since they are the only class with alot of support skills & HS, while mages are just 2 out of the 10 attacking classes. End result: Balance!

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kafei 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] urboyrob : yea for AM's its all fine and dandy. but have u notice how slow AR is for bishops? I don't have a bishop personally on my own, but i train with bishops a lot, and their AR is extremely slow. even if Ar is 2 times stronger, its still super slow to use it as one of their main attacks. ultimately, if bishops should be nerf down along that path, then bishops at least should get a new skill similar what Am's has in 4th. edit: oh and summons attacks slow too. so, bishops are sorta in a "loose-loose" situation which sucks. cuz i know a few bishops friends =/ [/quote] FP's Explosion is about the same speed, even with booster and a fast wand. And there's Angel Ray for single target. For non holy-weak, there's Big Bang. Even Heal might get a boost. And that's what the balance patch is about: to eliminate the sovereignty of one 4th job single skill above all others learned during the entire maple career. That's

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Foxtrots 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Mages booster was weakened last I saw. So Ray shouldn't be so slow by comparison now. Also let's not forget Mages get ele wands .

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Sp4ceG04t 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

nothin nada zip zilch a mage without a spamable ultamate is just a pirate that dosent have a ship or a fast dps atack while they may buff cl to the point whare its hiting max 199k i dought itl be doing enough dmg to beat a corsair dps + cls bounce weeknes means that you may 1 hit ko the 1st 1-3 skellys but you wont 1 hit ko the other 3-6 traning as a am i can say the 1st hit of cl hits for about dubble the 2nd 9k becomes 4.5 traning speed just droped. sumons while they add total dps they dont add imeadate traning speed. and last i checked para/angel ray dont mob and while para is fastish angel ray is slow. (slower then magic flare last i saw.) so ether you get leeched agian (hmme sounds like lvl 1-120 but now 1-200) or try to solo bf a few thousand times omg that sounds like just when you a bishop could finly train your self now you have to be leeched agian to lvl at a adiquate speed.

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HazelTrinity 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] kafei : FP's Explosion is about the same speed, even with booster and a fast wand. And there's Angel Ray for single target. For non holy-weak, there's Big Bang. Even Heal might get a boost. And that's what the balance patch is about: to eliminate the sovereignty of one 4th job single skill above all others learned during the entire maple career. That's [/quote] but i thought explosion went by the w. attack formula and was based on w. attack.

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Emenia + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I fail to see how: a) screwing over lukless mages b) forcing ifrit onto f/ps and elquines onto i/ls so we have no elemental advantages c) increasing the power of comp even though it only hits 1 monster and hardly anyone ever maxes it. d) putting a cooldown on our only decent training skills despite the fact that bishops are weak as hell and have no other decent attack skill e) explosion and fire demon get effectively nerfed so f/p mages have barely any decent offensive skills for training. Explosion and fd weaker than fire arrow when fire arrow is a 2nd job skill? wtf. makes us balanced. At all. And on a side note, big bang needs to be charged, making it INCREDIBLY slow, and you can't even move when charging. Also, MOST mages don't max it till well into their 170s and beyond, so all mages that are a lower level are gonna struggle enough as it is. TS, what you've typed is also wrong. i/ls now get elquines and f/ps get ifrit. This completely destroys the usefulness of fire demon and ice demon.

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urboyrob 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Veneni : Ofcourse bishops will kill slower than mages, but they will gain more exp because of HS. Also bishops are still going to be wanted more for bossing, since they are the only class with alot of support skills & HS, while mages are just 2 out of the 10 attacking classes. End result: Balance! [/quote] yea, their more accepted into boss run for heal and hs (ress seems to be missing in update...?) but since bishops wont be attackers, wouldnt it mean that they wont gain as much exp as the other attackers? a class with a whole lot of supportive skill and few attacking skill is going to have a hard time lvling up. even with hs, im still sure AM's can still kill fast/faster to make up for not having hs. A bishop in party with hs will be good, but they will still be killing slow due to lack of a great mobbing attack other then gene. I dont think SR got an upgrade too. what im trying to say is is that it seems bishop will have a harder time lvling up, which to me, dosent seem fair at all compare to the other mages class. [quote] kafei : FP's Explosion is about the same speed, even with booster and a fast wand. And there's Angel Ray for single target. For non holy-weak, there's Big Bang. Even Heal might get a boost. And that's what the balance patch is about: to eliminate the sovereignty of one 4th job single skill above all others learned during the entire maple career. That's [/quote] yea, okay eruption may be the same speed as Ar, but then again, Ar is a 1v1 skill while eruption is a mob skill. and what about in 4th? para is a pretty dam strong skill to began with 1v1 and for mobbing, they also have fire/ice demon which are pretty strong to what ive seen (and fast too). big bang isnt even that great for all mage class. i have never met a AM/bishop saying that they liked big bang at all and plus u have to charge it up, thus not being able to spam like other mages skill. and to note, im not saying that bishops should not have its cooldown. what im saying is that bishops should get some new skill so that they can actually train efficiently. can u imaging spamming Shinning Ray and Angel Ray to 200 with gene here and there? at least with AM, they have some nice nifty skills up their sleves to help them lvl. Am's seems to be far more balance then Bishop atm. Also, i would just like to see all classes be able to train efficiently. when that happens, i will see that as Balance; not just because a class has more supportive skill means that he/she should lack in training.