Lillin's Ring vs Critical Ring

basilmarket.com forums : Aran | 15 posts archived

thread starter joblo13 Jun 19 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

i just found out that both cant be equipped at once... so which one is better for an aran...lvl 3 lillins ring or critical ring?

My Characters: FallenFrosty - 117 Broa Aran in Misery

KARMACHARGEz 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

i think the cruel ring is best IMO

My Characters: karmachargez - 75 Bera Aran in Misery

Khar 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

lol crit cuase the extra # of crits beats the higher crit damage that is of course assumeing you have a least one in crit combo b/c eny time before the higher number of crits < the higher crit if you add the extra wep attk but you would hardly notice.

My Characters: ComboKhar - 75 Windia Aran in Misery

Bountyan 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Critical Ring.

My Characters: Aufe - 162 Bera Aran in Hope

exile132 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Critical Ring. However, the Cruel Ring is better when soloing. According to the guide, it's not as good with SE, but according to my calculations, the Cruel ring is still slightly better even with SE.

My Characters: ExiiedLance - 99 Windia Aran in Misery

Maninae 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

The critical ring is better. I really dont see why the Cruel Ring is better. In the "all you need to know about adventurer rings" guide, the author messed up Aran's critical calculations.

My Characters: DragoIceri - 80 Galicia Aran in Misery

dragonice1 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm getting critical ring, because the damage difference is quite small. And if the adventurer revamps come, It'll be much better. @ above, base: 100 hits, 70 add +100% damage. (7000%) cruel: 100 hits, 75 add +120% damage. (9000%) Crit: 100 hits, 80 add +110% damage. (8800%) Critical becomes better with SE, however.

My Characters: xdragonice00 - 126 Windia Aran in Hope

Maninae 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

@ dragonice1. Doesnt Critical fro Arans add 200% damage when at 100% combos, however? This makes a big difference.

My Characters: DragoIceri - 80 Galicia Aran in Misery

exile132 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] dragonice1 : I'm getting critical ring, because the damage difference is quite small. And if the adventurer revamps come, It'll be much better. @ above, base: 100 hits, 70 add +100% damage. (7000%) cruel: 100 hits, 75 add +120% damage. (9000%) Crit: 100 hits, 80 add +110% damage. (8800%) Critical becomes better with SE, however. [/quote] First of all, isn't our crit 60% chance of adding 100% damage? base: 100 hits, 60 add +100% damage. (6000%) cruel: 100 hits, 65 add +120% damage. (7800%) Crit: 100 hits, 70 add +110% damage. (7700%) And with SE: Base + SE: 100 hits, 75% of 140% damage (10500%) Base + SE + Cruel: 100 hits, 80% of 160% damage (12800%) Base + SE + Crit : 100 hits, 85% of 150% damage (12750%)

My Characters: ExiiedLance - 99 Windia Aran in Misery

dragonice1 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] exile132 : First of all, isn't our crit 60% chance of adding 100% damage? base: 100 hits, 60 add +100% damage. (6000%) cruel: 100 hits, 65 add +120% damage. (7800%) Crit: 100 hits, 70 add +110% damage. (7700%) And with SE: Base + SE: 100 hits, 75% of 140% damage (10500%) Base + SE + Cruel: 100 hits, 80% of 160% damage (12800%) Base + SE + Crit : 100 hits, 85% of 150% damage (12750%) [/quote] No, I beleive takerbaker has said that arans have a base critical chance of 10%, but no damage. @Maninae, so a normal swing can do 300% damage? I don't know if its false or not, but that seems way too high.

My Characters: xdragonice00 - 126 Windia Aran in Hope

Maninae 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Arans have a 10% chance of doing 100% damage without any combos. every10 comboss its 6% at 10% damage. So, naturally, its a 70% chance for 200% damage. @ above. wait. so your saying, 10% chance of adding NO damage? whats the point? o.o I have done 5ks with my noob 7xx-22xx range. normal hit.

My Characters: DragoIceri - 80 Galicia Aran in Misery

exile132 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I've noticed that the crit rate seems way to high to be what it actually says in combo crit description, so maybe that is true. And 10% of adding no damage would be useful when you have 10 or more combos. So wouldn't cruel and critical rings with SE be 14400% and 14250%, respectively? Doesn't that still mean cruel is better? In the ring guide on basil, there are some really weird calculations done to determine which character should use which. Anyone know what those mean?

My Characters: ExiiedLance - 99 Windia Aran in Misery

Khar 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

lol you guys in your calulations you for got to add the 200% for the 5 extra crits that you get over the cruel with 100 combos the chance for crit = 60% . from 100 - 200 w/o se its base: 12000% (200 * 60) cruel : 14300% (220 * 65) Crit: 14700 % (210 * 70 with se its 90% for cruel and 95% for crit 85% for base Base: 17000% Cruel: 19800% Crit:19950% w/o se crit wins by a significant margin w/ se te gap is decreased but the damage is still higher as you can c crit winz also crit cant be 70% b/c with se + crit ring wouldnt that be like 100% crit o.o which i thought required a maclear to do

My Characters: ComboKhar - 75 Windia Aran in Misery

Maninae 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Khar : lol you guys in your calulations you for got to add the 200% for the 5 extra crits that you get over the cruel with 100 combos the chance for crit = 60% . from 100 - 200 w/o se its base: 12000% (200 * 60) cruel : 14300% (220 * 65) Crit: 14700 % (210 * 70 with se its 90% for cruel and 95% for crit 85% for base Base: 17000% Cruel: 19800% Crit:19950% w/o se crit wins by a significant margin w/ se te gap is decreased but the damage is still higher as you can c crit winz also crit cant be 70% b/c with se + crit ring wouldnt that be like 100% crit o.o which i thought required a maclear to do [/quote] Yes, it is 70%. Most sources like HiddenStreet and even Basil say so. Let me see. Your only reasoning that Arans crit cant be 70% is cause we're going to be at 100% crit chance? What proof is that?

My Characters: DragoIceri - 80 Galicia Aran in Misery

Initialz 06/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Noob question: What's SE?

My Characters: AvowZ - 51 Bera Aran in Memory