Corsair: Get both rings?

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thread starter foolness Jun 18 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Well, In many threads I have seen, the recommended ring for corsairs is the CRUEL RING. I have just obtained the CRITICAL ring because I boss a lot as well. I was wondering if Cruel is better than the Lillin for training. I can get both rings or do you guys think it is not worth it? Main Point: Is cruel ring better to TRAIN with then a CRIT ring or LILLIN ring?

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moocow2001 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Unless my info is wrong, the Cruel Ring is only better than the Critical Ring because of the 1 extra w.att it gives. The bonus damage from the criticals those two rings give you turns out to be the same: 380% (cannon) * .9 (chance of non-crit with critical ring) + 390% (cannon with critical ring crit) * .1 (chance of critical with critical ring) = 381% 380% (cannon) * .95 (chance of non-crit with cruel ring) + 400% (cannon with cruel ring crit) * .05 (chance of critical with cruel ring) = 381% Now, this is not a big bonus, but neither is the extra stat from Lillin's ring. Also, both Explorer rings give a 1% chance of killing a monster instantly (which I have actually found pretty useful). In summary: either the cruel ring or the crit ring is better than the lillin's ring. The cruel ring is better than the crit ring, but only barely , due to the 1 extra w.att it gives. I don't think it's worth it to get both. In my opinion, the critical ring, due to the larger bonus it gives with SE, is better. I don't know why people are saying the cruel ring is better.

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MyNaginata 06/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] moocow2001 : Unless my info is wrong, the Cruel Ring is only better than the Critical Ring because of the 1 extra w.att it gives. The bonus damage from the criticals those two rings give you turns out to be the same: 380% (cannon) * .9 (chance of non-crit with critical ring) + 390% (cannon with critical ring crit) * .1 (chance of critical with critical ring) = 381% 380% (cannon) * .95 (chance of non-crit with cruel ring) + 400% (cannon with cruel ring crit) * .05 (chance of critical with cruel ring) = 381% Now, this is not a big bonus, but neither is the extra stat from Lillin's ring. Also, both Explorer rings give a 1% chance of killing a monster instantly (which I have actually found pretty useful). In summary: either the cruel ring or the crit ring is better than the lillin's ring. The cruel ring is better than the crit ring, but only barely , due to the 1 extra w.att it gives. I don't think it's worth it to get both. In my opinion, the critical ring, due to the larger bonus it gives with SE, is better. I don't know why people are saying the cruel ring is better. [/quote] Yea, I was wondering why everyone was saying the cruel ring despite its mere 1 attack advantage. I'd understand if we were talking about a class that generally doesn't boss, but for corsairs, idgi.

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moocow2001 06/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] MyNaginata : Yea, I was wondering why everyone was saying the cruel ring despite its mere 1 attack advantage. I'd understand if we were talking about a class that generally doesn't boss, but for corsairs, idgi. [/quote] I guess people assume we do mostly solo bossing, because we're by far the best at it. That isn't really true though... so (anyone who is reading this), if you're going to only get one ring, get the critical ring.

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Savtoz 06/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Wasn't it like.. If you already have a chane of crit get the 10% one so you crit more often, but if you don't have passive crit then you should get the 5% one?

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frei468 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Don't click the link and put in your info. It's obviously a phishing attempt to get your user info. The site isn't Basil.

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NinjaEclipse 06/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

you can only have 1 type of adventurer ring on a character

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moocow2001 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Savtoz : Wasn't it like.. If you already have a chane of crit get the 10% one so you crit more often, but if you don't have passive crit then you should get the 5% one? [/quote] No. You should always get the 10% one. The 5% one is barely better for classes without a passive crit normally, while the 10% one is much better when you have SE (which you will on a regular basis in late-game). [quote] NinjaEclipse : you can only have 1 type of adventurer ring on a character [/quote] I believe it's that you can only have 1 of each ring on a character. You could have both types.

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frei468 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

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moocow2001 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] frei468 : I just noticed your math fails. You have to MULTIPLY the crit, not add it to the % for cannon. 380% (cannon) * .9 (chance of non-crit with critical ring) + 380% (cannon with critical ring crit) * 1.1 (critical damage multiplier with critical ring) * .1 (chance of critical with critical ring) = 383.8 for critical ring 380% (cannon) * .95 (chance of non-crit with cruel ring) + 380% (cannon with cruel ring crit) * 1.2 (critical damage multiplier with cruel ring) * .05 (chance of critical with cruel ring) = 383.8 for cruel ring Even though the numbers still end up being equal while soloing, you need to do your math right because once SE is added to the equation, critical rings do move ahead. [/quote] Since when is that how criticals work? They've always been additive, and I'm pretty sure they didn't change it for these rings. I'll try to test it tomorrow, but I think it's additive. And yes, I agree that SE makes the critical ring better, which is why I recommended the critical ring. EDIT: It's okay, we all make mistakes sometimes.

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rdab10 06/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Yeah that 1atk isnt going to affect your training, so i would say critical ring since it gives an advantage at bossing were little damage on each atk makes a difference.

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