Sair vs NL after BP 2

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thread starter blackie8 Jun 18 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Hi all, My friend and me are argueing which one will be stronger after the BP 2. They both have the same fundings. Who will be stronger? Thnx in advance ~

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Jslep19 06/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

It will be very close, probably almost even. I dont know the exact ranges, but I do know that TT is being nerfed, equalizing it with Corsair's new Crit Shot.

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chaossin182 06/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

TT got buffed o.O 150% > 270%

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DarkQuill 06/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Archers will be stronger. /endthread

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SeEkeRxKiD 06/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Shads will be stronger YIPPY! /end thread

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blackie8 06/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Yea, but who will be stronger between Sair vs NL? after the Blaance Patch #2

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mizore742 06/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

NL shall shine once more!

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Csenger + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I don't know what 80% -> 40% mean. SP's damage is 50% of the main star.

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iLoveHazel + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I have a question! When is this BP coming? because everyone is talking about it.... I'd say NL

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curtis 06/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

you really want to know this don't you? -.- sairs will still be stronger with or without ship NLs are strong anyway and still preferred more at bossing

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kingwoot13 06/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Neither. You know why? Cause they'll be balanced

SufSurf 06/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I made a thread about it. Still, read the second page of comments. The 200 sair knows what shes saying. We can't know for sure, since all stats are being reestructured.

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1337Platypus 06/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm running some calculations right now... Current NL Multiplier, SE and Crit Ring (((150+100+140+10) x .75) + (150 x .25)) x 3 x 1.5 = 1518.75% Post-Stupid-Patch NL Multiplier, SE (nerfed to 110%) and Crit Ring (((270+10+110+10) x .75) + (270 x .25)) x 3 x 1.4 = 1543.5% 1543.5/1518.75 = 1.6% increase for NLs with SE ... >.> Current Cannon Multiplier, SE and Crit Ring ((380+140+10) x .25) + (380 x .75) x 1.2 x 4 = 2004% Post-Stupid-Patch Cannon Multiplier, SE and Crit ring (using SE because Thorns was nerfed to +10% crit rate and +115% crit damage, which is worse than SE) ((195+20+110+10) x .45) + (195 x .55) x 1.2 x 6 = 1857.6% Note: Everything below is an approximation When doing a comparison, mastery nerf has to be taken into account for the Sair: ((0.9 x 0.6) + 1) / 2 = .77 ((0.9 x 0.5) + 1) / 2 = .725 .725/.77 = Damage nerf to about 94% damage, not taking into account STR .94 x 1857.6% = 1746.144 (In actuality the nerf isn't as bad because mastery isn't applied to STR) 30 wep atk increase is like... anywhere from 10% to 20% boost, within reasonable estimates of Sair wep atk (150 total for unfunded, 300 for super-funded with apple) 1746.144 x 1.1 = 1920.7584% 1746.144 x 1.2 = 2095.3728% 2095.3728/2004 = Increase to 105% damage 1920.7584/2004 = Nerf to 95% damage So depending on wep. atk it can either be approximately a 5% increase or a 5% decrease to Sair damage It's essentially balanced, with Sairs getting a 5% increase or decrease and NLs getting a 1.6% increase. Not a drastic change. Based on the current Sair vs. NL calculations, Sairs should still be stronger after the patch, at least in Cannon DPM. However there is a new NL skill I haven't taken into account, because Google translate fails. It probably adds a little more damage to NLs, I don't know. Note: These calculations are based on the assumption that attack speeds, damage range formulas, and TT formula are the same after the patch. It's entirely possible that those values were changed as well.

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blackie8 06/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Btw sairs are getting critial, but is the critical from sairs the same as the one of NL's? Or is it a nerfed one?

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