The miss-conception of EXP stacking

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thread starter InHerArms Jun 12 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

So it's well known that 2x buff doesn't stack with the 2x event but usually when people talk about a bunch of EXP bonus stuff they stack them all into one pile which is wrong. Everything that has it's own line (AKA, Pie/cake proof of victory, party exp, Ring exp etc.) doesn't count as it's stacking with the rest of the EXP, it's something of it's own. Now to elaborate, those things (The proof of victory, party exp etc) would be effected by event/card/buff but separately , which means that: With 2x card + ring mule + proof of victory you wouldn't get 540% (2*1*0.5*0.8) you'd get: 2(Card)*1(Reg EXP)+ 0.8(Ring mule)*2(Card)+ 0.5(Proof of victory)*2(card) Which totals up to be 460%

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AoAoAVEX 06/12/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Erm no, When I train with a ringmule with 2x card it becomes 3.6x for me.

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flapjacks101 06/12/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

most people dont use percent. we say x6 or x8

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InHerArms 06/12/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] AoAoAVEX : Erm no, When I train with a ringmule with 2x card it becomes 3.6x for me. [/quote] Because with ring mule and 2x cards it's 1*2+0.8*2 you could do the math alone.

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niksterg + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Nope. I admire you thinking logically, because it does seem like they should add up instead of multiply. However, when the 2x stacks, it definitely multiplies. This has been tested by a lot of people many different times. There was picture the other day of someone getting a high amount of experience per kill (I think it was 1700% or so...) and the only way he could get that was a couple 2x events stacking on top of each other.

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InHerArms 06/12/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] niksterg : Nope. I admire you thinking logically, because it does seem like they should add up instead of multiply. However, when the 2x stacks, it definitely multiplies. This has been tested by a lot of people many different times. [/quote] As I said the card+event/buff do stack with ea other and those buff all of the lines but each line separately.

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ImALowStr 06/12/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Ring Mule is actually 1.8 caues if u multiple 0.8 with anythign the number becomes lower

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TofuFTW + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Ring mule adds 80% to the party exp therefore makes it 1.8x. Having a number less than 1 would decrease the number if multiplied. Also the proof of victory is a 50% bonus therefore makes it 1.5x not 0.5x.

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xTreme 06/12/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I don't get the % system ur using o.o

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Knight5n1p3r + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

TS is incorrect. All exp stacking is multiplicative. This is how we were able to get onto 8x exp with the hunters luck event (2x) with Rep (2x) and Cash Shop (2x). By your logic that should be 6x, but ask anyone that participated in the event, and they will tell you 8x was very possible. This also explains how I can get 16,720 + 1672 + 13,376 exp (31,678 total exp) per jr newtie (which gives 3800 exp on 1x) when I'm in a party and I stack 2x CS card, 2x Rep, 1.8x ring mule + 1.1x HS (7.92x exp). The reason the number is a bit higher is because I am getting Bonus Party Exp from my HS mule; if it were not for that I would be getting 16,720 + 13,376 (30,096), which is exactly 3800 * 7.92 surprise surprise... With your logic I should be getting much less (26,200 exp per kill plus whatever Party Exp I get from HS mule). But that clearly isnt the case I do happen to know what I'm talking about. I do not suggest making threads trying to prove other people wrong when you do not have sufficient evidence to back it up.

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InHerArms 06/12/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ImALowStr : Ring Mule is actually 1.8 caues if u multiple 0.8 with anythign the number becomes lower [/quote] [quote] TofuFTW : Ring mule adds 80% to the party exp therefore makes it 1.8x. Having a number less than 1 would decrease the number if multiplied. Also the proof of victory is a 50% bonus therefore makes it 1.5x not 0.5x. [/quote] Reason that you get 1.5x with proof of victory is because you get 1x from normal EXP and 0.5x from proof of victory, this answers both of you.

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darksuitguy 06/12/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] InHerArms : Reason that you get 1.5x with proof of victory is because you get 1x from normal EXP and 0.5x from proof of victory, this answers both of you. [/quote] x generally means multiplication. What's 1.5 times 1? 1.5. People though the same when 2x rep could stack with events. They were all like "lolololol it's 6x not 8x@22". Until people started crapping out screenshots with them 8xing.

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TofuFTW + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] InHerArms : Reason that you get 1.5x with proof of victory is because you get 1x from normal EXP and 0.5x from proof of victory, this answers both of you. [/quote] If you multiply 1 by .5 that would give you .5. That would be half the amount of the normal exp and if that's the case then what's the point? Your expression should be : 2(Exp card ) x 1.8( Your base exp plus the 80% bonus.) x 1.5 (Your base exp plus the 50% bonus) That would add up to 5.4x

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XDarkMage 06/12/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

"Misconception" is a word, by the way.

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ImALowStr 06/12/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] InHerArms : 0.8(Ring mule)*2(Card) [/quote] okay so lets say im training on a monster that gives 100 exp a kill now i decide to buy a 2x card now the exp is 200 exp a kill then i bring my ring mule giving me 0.8x by your numbers. which will give me 160 exp a kill Ring mule has to be 1.8x

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