R.I.P. those 16 who died delivering aid in Gaza

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thread starter LycheeB Jun 01 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

To the 16 people who died, my heart goes out to their families. The footage is absolutely horrendous. How can the extremist israeli government go on with that? They say they weren't the ones who initiated the violence. The hell, man...? They, at midnight, boarded a ship with no weapons on it, declared they were met with resistance, and then murdered 16 people and took the rest captive. If they were under attack, they could have gotten off the ship and not murdered everyone on it. The footage shows people with bats (the israelis) taking out innocent people with no weapons. It's pretty much world war on Israel now. I have nothing against standard Judaism follows, but to the extremists and the Israel government, F. YOU. I feel really sick atm because this has really hurt me, even though I have no connection to it. It was bad enough in the Gaza Strip with all those people kept there, but now that they have killed the people trying to deliver aid, I actually despise them.

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Yarrum61 06/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Well not to sound cold hearted, but the aid workers knew what they were going into and knew the risks.

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taotapp 06/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Yarrum61 : Well not to sound cold hearted, but the aid workers knew what they were going into and knew the risks. [/quote] Not to sound rude or anything, but what is the point of this statement? Are we expected to care less about their deaths because they knew the risks when they signed up? Are we to lessen our contempt for their murderers because of it? I really don't understand.

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LycheeB + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm not saying that they didn't. I'm saying that the Israeli Government should piss off out of the Palestinians land. I'm practically an anti-Zionist and pro-Hamas supporter now. I never really knew about anything before today regarding the hundred-year-old war that's been going on between the two, but seriously, the Zionists are absolute idiots! I spit on them! How can the Israeli government defend them and say that they were met with resistance when THEY BOARDED THE SHIPS AND MASSACRED THE PEOPLE TRYING TO DELIVER AID TO THE POOR PEOPLE, HELD IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN GAZA! It's not like less than a year ago Israel went and massacred 1k+ people and has been ignoring peace calls from the U.N. I'm so aggravated that I can't do anything. It also annoys me that 90% of basil is too young and doesn't care much for world issues. Please, if you are uneducated of whats happening in Gaza like I was largely until today (I've taken a recent interest in world events) GOOGLE IT AND FIND OUT.

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Yarrum61 06/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm not saying that the Israelis were right in killing those people. What I'm basically saying is that **** happens. It's a war and people are going to get killed. I find it sad that people only mourn for the dead that receive media attention.

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the information you have is biased, the israelis did not want them to go straight to gaza because of security matters, they can't know for sure if there are bombs in there or not, so they asked them politely to go to ashdod for a check and then it will be delieved to gaza, but no, they didn't agree so they went on their ship for talks, knowing the talks may not be so good but they took the risk, paint guns which 7 which are not dangerous and some pistols just in case on their belt when they got on the ship they DID get resistance from them and they DID have weapons and they ambushed the soldiers, from there it's not a question of extremist or not, they are ambushing them and attacking them, they had to protect themselves and are you blind? didn't you see the video? people just love being on the innocent "humanitarian aid" mask, if they were really peace activists and didn't have anything to hide they would agree to the terms and not even start attacking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo what better footage can you get? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKOmLP4yHb4&feature=related they warned them before.. any other country who would have to deal with something similiar would just sink the boat, not try to negotiate, imagine israel sending humanitarian aid to the armanians in turkey or north korea sailing with boats around american borders EDIT: do you have any idea what hamas does? do you think the israelis suspect them without a reason? before the war there were bombs everyday coming from gaza and the IDF did nothing about it, it had to be stopped and prevented, you expect them to just sit and suffer? do the israelis not have innocent civilians also? problem is, hamas terrorists are living with the gaza people so its hard to prevent death but they try

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darkpirate 06/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote=LycheeB I'm practically an anti-Zionist and pro-Hamas supporter now. [/quote] yah support a terrorist group thats the best suloution how about members of my fammily murderd by people from hamas? does your heart go out to them? i think u miss understgood the video the people with the bats arent the soldiers. and maybe next time check your facts

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Yarrum61 06/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Oh my god... There's Turkish here in Sydney protesting on the streets against the Israelis and blocking the traffic... WTF are they protesting here for?

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LycheeB + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm pro Hamas because they are the only defence the poor gaza strip has put up against the crazy zionists. Any information otherwise about the recent events is completely biased - You've ONLY HEARD from the ISRAELI side, NOTHING from the poor people because they're being held captive. We haven't HEARD FROM THEM YET; MAINLY BECAUSE THEY'RE DEAD. My heart goes out to the families that Hamas has killed, but Hamas has the right ideals! The zionists are crazy! I'm not against standard jews, and I don't generally support terrorism, but I do stand up for Gaza. Your family was killed by Hamas, but Hamas is the ONLY Defence that Gaza has because, as it turns out, the rest of the world has to start a war (they can't deliver aid peacefully without being massacred) to defend Gaza through methods other than Terrorism. Edit: Sorry, I'm typing things that don't make much sense because I'm frustrated. ShadyCleric, you make some good points, and while they are true (and the parallels with North Korea have sunk home), the humanitarian aid was a straight out gesture. It was broadcast all over the world, if they had bombs and supplies for terrorising israel (Which I don't completely consider a bad thing, I'm all for gaza getting back their land), it wouldn't have been such an open operation.

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eg7eg77 06/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

do you know ANYTHING about hamas? gaza used to be under palestinian government, hamas TOOK gaza by force, and it's because of them that they are isolated or they could be a lot more peaceful like other arab cities in israel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08L09V0_sg

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Yarrum61 06/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

You realise that there is only major media attention when an American or a person from the developed world is killed?

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[quote] eg7eg77 : do you know ANYTHING about hamas? gaza used to be under palestinian government, hamas TOOK gaza by force, and it's because of them that they are isolated or they could be a lot more peaceful like other arab cities in israel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08L09V0_sg [/quote] Hamas doesn't recognize Israel as a country. I thought, therefore, that they were the resistance of Gaza. If I'm wrong (which I'm looking into right now), then I'm really sorry and I don't know what's going on, and if so I retract all statements. And I know I look like a complete dropkick, and I'll take any abuse as such because I'll agree that I didn't look at all the facts before I lost my temper and reacted in the said manner. Edit: "Islamic Resistance Movement") is a Palestinian Islamic organization with a socio-political wing[5][6] and a paramilitary force, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades.[2][3] After winning 76 of the 132 seats in the Palestinian Parliament in the January 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections,[7] and defeating rival Palestinian party Fatah in a series of violent clashes, since June 2007 Hamas has governed the Gaza portion of the Palestinian Territories More has become clear, but they are still against israel, aren't they? Edit: The soldiers were hit with metal poles and chairs; NOT WEAPONS. Then the passengers were gunned down.

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[quote] LycheeB : ShadyCleric, you make some good points, and while they are true (and the parallels with North Korea have sunk home), the humanitarian aid was a straight out gesture. It was broadcast all over the world, if they had bombs and supplies for terrorising israel (Which I don't completely consider a bad thing, I'm all for gaza getting back their land), it wouldn't have been such an open operation. [/quote] alright, so you love them so much that you agree that they kill israeli people, makes lots of sense, someone is so humanitarian for people is willing to kill people so others can live you know it can be said the other way too even if the ship was purely just humanitarian aid, they had to accept the regulations for security check and im sure there'd be no problems but they didn't, it's totally legitimate that israel doesn't want to be bombed EDIT: @above, they didn't exactly win their seats but forced on the people in places they control... here are gaza people talking about the hamas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoH19b1TrZo the hamas people don't allow people to put music in their weddings, if they hear about something like that, they go there and attack the people much like the taliban...

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[quote] LycheeB : Hamas doesn't recognize Israel as a country. I thought, therefore, that they were the resistance of Gaza. If I'm wrong (which I'm looking into right now), then I'm really sorry and I don't know what's going on, and if so I retract all statements. And I know I look like a complete dropkick, and I'll take any abuse as such because I'll agree that I didn't look at all the facts before I lost my temper and reacted in the said manner. [/quote] There is no point in looking into it as neither is at more fault than the other. Religious extremists will keep fighting until one of them is wiped out. Diplomacy can create a ceasefire on paper but it cannot create a ceasefire in reality. If I recall there have been numerous ceasefires in the past only to be broken a few hours later. You're better off just sitting back and ignoring it. If you do feel compelled to help , you can get on a ship, go there, and get killed/captured like those people. Also, if a hostile person with a gun is boarding your ship, your instinct is to bash them. If someone is bashing you with chairs and metal poles, your instinct is to shoot them. Simple...

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darkpirate 06/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

fyi gilad shalit is an israeli soldier that was kidnapped 4 years ago. hammas refuses to let the red cross a nuetral organization check up on him hammas terrorists who are in israeli jail get 3meals a day, family visits, school, healthcare and more? who are the extremists? and btw every day israel gives the gaza strip about 15tons of food, gas and etc why dont u see that in the news and hell with it whyt should we give stuff to people who dont recognize us as a country?

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