Trouble with Bucc control

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thread starter crushXed May 19 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

So as my time as a bucc i seem to fail at soloing mannon at dojo does anyone know the order of moves to do so i dont get hit?

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bLY27 05/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

just keep moving them back and forth across the map, if they get stuck in the corner ull get hit if u keep corkscrewing. thats why its easier to solo than with a party since you dont want to be rushing them to your party members. but if your in a party just time when to barrage when it atks so you wont get hit

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crushXed 05/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

icic. hmm ima test it out. if i die. i will blame you ivan (:

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ShiKage08 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'll tell you what I told SleepyWood. Here are the 100% invulnerability combinations: Screw Punch + Barrage Screw Punch + Dragon Strike (Will be 100% invulnerable when constantly used after the Balance Patch) Screw Punch + Double Upper You can see there's a pattern forming by now. Screw Punch + anything will result in invulnerability frames for as long as the Screw Punch's invulnerability frames are active. Everything else has no real invulnerability. Screw Punch is the main staple for Buccaneers when it comes to staying invulnerable. Every other technique that has invulnerability frames has patches or holes in the animation that will leave you vulnerable to attacks. For instance, if you use Demolition, you'll notice that you're invulnerable for the time that your character is attacking the boss. On the way back to your character's original standing spot, you'll notice the boss or monster will have the ability to hit you while you can't move or do anything. This occurs with every combination that does not include Screw Punch. Note : Though Screw Punch is the staple to invulnerability frames for Buccaneers, it does not always guarantee 100% invulnerability when used repeatedly. This is where great control of your character is required to provide that 100% invulnerability.

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silentsin77 05/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ShiKage08 : I'll tell you what I told SleepyWood. Here are the 100% invulnerability combinations: Screw Punch + Barrage Screw Punch + Dragon Strike (Will be 100% invulnerable when constantly used after the Balance Patch) Screw Punch + Double Upper You can see there's a pattern forming by now. Screw Punch + anything will result in invulnerability frames for as long as the Screw Punch's invulnerability frames are active. Everything else has no real invulnerability. Screw Punch is the main staple for Buccaneers when it comes to staying invulnerable. Every other technique that has invulnerability frames has patches or holes in the animation that will leave you vulnerable to attacks. For instance, if you use Demolition, you'll notice that you're invulnerable for the time that your character is attacking the boss. On the way back to your character's original standing spot, you'll notice the boss or monster will have the ability to hit you while you can't move or do anything. This occurs with every combination that does not include Screw Punch. Note : Though Screw Punch is the staple to invulnerability frames for Buccaneers, it does not always guarantee 100% invulnerability when used repeatedly. This is where great control of your character is required to provide that 100% invulnerability. [/quote] Doesn't barrage have a similar iFrames as corkscrew blow? Like after you use it, you get a moment of godmode.

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MastaSella + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] silentsin77 : Doesn't barrage have a similar iFrames as corkscrew blow? Like after you use it, you get a moment of godmode. [/quote] Nah. You only get the invincibility during the attacking animation for Barrage.

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1CrazyCleric 05/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Easiest way to kill Dojo Manon is do any of the combos that ShiKage listed then stand on top of Manon and spam drain while tanking hits. You'll charge up your dojo bar and be able to spam bamboo rain and kill it easy.

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Tersera + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] bLY27 : just keep moving them back and forth across the map, if they get stuck in the corner ull get hit if u keep corkscrewing. thats why its easier to solo than with a party since you dont want to be rushing them to your party members. but if your in a party just time when to barrage when it atks so you wont get hit [/quote] Obviously you don't keep corkscrewing when that happens But I can keep him pinned while still remaining invulnerable 1 error from Shikage Shockwave after a corkscrew will let you get hit. I've got 2 videos of me soloing the Dojo Manon. Tersera: No Item Solo and halfway through Tersera: Buccaneer Advancement Once as a Buccaneer. (This was in the early stages of my bucc where barrage is level 1 - using drain is more efficient) Once as a Marauder. (Though this was before the patch, bamboo is now limited to one use per stage) Both times without using any potions. Assuming you're doing a Dragon Strike build with a low barrage, its faster for you to take the hits and drain than avoiding and barraging. Here are some repeatable cycles I use now that barrage and dragonstrike are higher leveled. Combo #1 Corkscrew -> Dragon Strike -> Barrage and repeat You may want to change directions with Corkscrew blow when appropriate. Combo #2 Barrage -> Corkscrew -> Dragon Strike -> Backspin Elbow and repeat This allows you to go into Manon deal some damage and come back out unharmed while hitting some of the summons. (resulting in faster charge) This method will not Knock him back with Backspin due to the Knockback dealt by Dragon Strike. This method will allow you to play without touching the arrow keys. This method is risky as you need perfect timing or you will get hit. This method takes practise. When charged, this method will allow the charge to attack Manon up to 3 times before you escape him with your Backspin Elbow. Pre-cautions to fightin Manon: If you're going to take a hit; take it from his touch damage. If you are hit away from him, you run the risk of being stunned or debuffed.

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bLY27 05/21/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

your making it sound harder than it really is, u dont need to timing because u can spam the key instead of timing

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Tersera + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] bLY27 : your making it sound harder than it really is, u dont need to timing because u can spam the key instead of timing [/quote] Well the only timing you need to worry about is Corkscrew. Everything else, hold down the next attack button before you finish your attack. So you wand to be holding down dragon strike as soon as you release corkscrew. And backspin as soon as you release dragon strike. So at the end of the animation, you've already made you next move before Manon can do anything. But hey, you're the one with the Manon troubles. Do it if it's easy.

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ShiKage08 05/21/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Tersera : Obviously you don't keep corkscrewing when that happens But I can keep him pinned while still remaining invulnerable 1 error from Shikage Shockwave after a corkscrew will let you get hit. [/quote] Lol. No one uses Shockwave anyway, so it doesn't really matter. :P

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Tersera 05/21/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

in here http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/1515126/3/27644897Energy_Drain_or_Shockwave.html#27644897 Neurovagus uses Shockwave but he did state he doesn't mind taking the hit lols. But in most cases yes, it's not a very useful skill.

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bLY27 05/21/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

i have manon troubles? i can solo it without getting hit once takes me under 2 mins

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Tersera + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] bLY27 : i have manon troubles? i can solo it without getting hit once takes me under 2 mins [/quote] Oh my bad you like the other dude lols. But time is just a matter of funding.

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bLY27 05/21/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

you use a ps controller for bucc? thats pretty cool

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