Arrow blow Vs Double shot

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thread starter Jwoy May 03 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] whiteasice : *Double Shot* vs. *Arrow Blow* Recall the main info for each skill: Double Shot: 130% + 130% Arrow Blow: 260% Let's look at these two skills without Critical Shot. Remember that skills with a lower damage multiplier is usually more stable than a skill with a higher damage multiplier. The latter usually does one hit, while the former does multiple hits, like a Bandit's Savage Blow. Test the skills, and you will see that Double Shot does more consistent damage than Arrow Blow. Alright, now let's factor Critical Shot into the skills. Recall that Critical Shot adds 100% to the damage multiplier, not double. Now look at the skills with critical: Double Shot: (130 + 100)% + (130 + 100)% = 230% + 230% Arrow Blow: (260 + 100)% = 360% Technically, Double Shot does 460%, which is 28% stronger than Arrow Blow. But you don't always get Critical Shots. Factor in the percents to get: Double Shot, both shots added For # criticals, % chance 0 - 36% 1 - 48% 2 - 16% Double Shot average damage per single hit with critical 130*0.6+230*0.4 = 170% Double Shot average damage of both hits to 1 monster with maxed critical 260*0.36+360*0.48+460*0.16 = 340% Arrow Blow average damage per single hit with critical 260*0.6+360*0.4 = 300% In the end, Double Shot will outdamage Arrow Blow and be more consistent. But what about MP usage? At a ratio of 14:16, it's clear to see that Arrow Blow is more MP efficient than Double Shot. The ratio of 300:340 is higher, meaning that Arrow Blow gives you more for your MP's worth. However, the inconsistency of Arrow Blow and low average damage make it an inferior skill compared to Double Shot, which allows you to train faster. [/quote] Well, based on these, and the chance of critical of double shot, what is the wild thinking rushed into my mind is, hell? Only 16% to apply 2 critical hit of critical? It is just like scrolling a 10% scroll. And is this true? Arrow blow always outdamage Double shot if Double Shot don't have 2 criticals in it. Talking about arrow blow, it can easily kb a mob no matter what compared to double arrow, this can mean to save a lot of pot usage don't it? And No matter you max arrow blow or double shot, once you get to 3rd job, the strafe completely replace them even at level 1 right?

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Arrow blow will knock back monsters, double shot will have more stable (and potentially more, not higher) damage. I went with arrow blow once to lvl 64, I don't recommend it. And yes, strafe will completely replace the two at lvl 1 (unless you need to knock back a monster with arrow blow).

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coolsmiley1 05/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Double shot with 1 out of 2 arrows = damage of arrow blow with critical. Double shot has a higher chance of one critical than arrow blow.

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Peechyboy69 05/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

If you're going BM, I'd say Arrow Blow would be better. Simply because it's the highest % skill you'll ever get as a BM

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liyanggu 05/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Peechyboy69 : If you're going BM, I'd say Arrow Blow would be better. Simply because it's the highest % skill you'll ever get as a BM [/quote] dont listen to him o_o''

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SethMayCry + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Double Arrow 2:1(its 40 x 2= ~80%~of crit!) ratio of getting a critical is insane. If both arrows are crit it surely out damages arrow blow :P But think...: 100 x 200% + 100 x 200% = 400(i think) 200 x 200% = 400 In the end they will do the same dmg, but more consistant is double arrow. Olso i beliieve double arrow is slightly faster. SO i give my vote to Double Arrow. P.S ~ I olso think Arrrow blow max is 260 and double arrow is 140.

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DeepRuin 05/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Peechyboy69 : If you're going BM, I'd say Arrow Blow would be better. Simply because it's the highest % skill you'll ever get as a BM [/quote] No offense, but that's shaky ground you're standing on. Higher % skill=/=good. A Sin's L7 is only 150%, but that is not a weak attack by any means. If you mean in terms of Knock Back, that's what PKB, Mortal Blow, and DB are for

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Peechyboy69 05/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] DeepRuin : No offense, but that's shaky ground you're standing on. Higher % skill=/=good. A Sin's L7 is only 150%, but that is not a weak attack by any means. If you mean in terms of Knock Back, that's what PKB, Mortal Blow, and DB are for [/quote] It's mainly because after 3rd job and strafe, you'll never look at either skill again. As a BM however AB is the highest % attack you will ever get. I got AB myself - not too bad either. In 2nd job, your main attack should be Arrow bomb anyway. Far besides, I never said AB>DS in terms of damage. I know for a fact that DS is stronger than AB.

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killerfan 05/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

go with double arrow, even if arrow blow has longer potential use, you'll never really be using it to kb anything

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Jwoy 05/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] killerfan : go with double arrow, even if arrow blow has longer potential use, you'll never really be using it to kb anything [/quote] What about... Go with any of two, even they have longer potential use, you'll never really be using it when you get strafe. So...if AB can kb a mob more than a DS can, I believe that will speeed up training speed right? I mean, Yes it is the Gollem! Let's DS them, OMG OMG It is running to me in packs! Nooooooooooooooooooo Lol?

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[quote] SethMayCry : Double Arrow 2:1(its 40 x 2= ~80%~of crit!) ratio of getting a critical is insane. If both arrows are crit it surely out damages arrow blow :P [/quote] thats not 80% chance for crit! (is that mean strafe has 160% chance for crit? wtf?) AB has 40% chance for crit (cause its only 1 arrow... duh..). DS chance for crit is (arrow * arrow): 1-(chance for no crit) = 1-0.6*0.6 = 1-0.36 = 0.64 = 64%. OR (for those who aint understand the "1-(chance)" thing: (crit * no crit) + (no crit * crit) + (crit * crit) = 0.4 * 0.6 + 0.6 * 0.4 + 0.4 * 0.4 = 0.24 + 0.24 + 0.16 = 0.64 = 64%. p.s. fix my grammar (if there are any mistakes) plz.... thanks

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GuitarRhythm 05/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I chose Arrow blow And I like it =3 Since i'm Crossbowman so slower than Hunter I think it's a good thing I can Knock-back better. The other reason is I prefer to see 1 dmg over 2. But that's only till lvl 70 ofcourse. My dmg now is (I guess) less stable than with it should have been with DS, but Always high enough to knock back. I think you can better choose DS since we got Power knock-back (so usefull while training at fog or something) After all I think they both have some good and bad things in it. Just what u prefer?

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MisterCold 05/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm doing both AB and DS, screw focus or blessing -.-

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killerfan 05/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Jwoy : What about... Go with any of two, even they have longer potential use, you'll never really be using it when you get strafe. So...if AB can kb a mob more than a DS can, I believe that will speeed up training speed right? I mean, Yes it is the Gollem! Let's DS them, OMG OMG It is running to me in packs! Nooooooooooooooooooo Lol? [/quote] no it won't speed it up more as it will take you more hits to kill things. there's nothing in 1st or 2nd job you really need to kb, since nothing kills you in 2 hits or less. by the time you hit 3rd job where they do you can use pkb to kb things and strafe outdamages both attacks. finally in 4th with SE, DB, and more mastery kbing things becomes even easier.

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adamhere 05/05/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Peechyboy69 : If you're going BM, I'd say Arrow Blow would be better. Simply because it's the highest % skill you'll ever get as a BM [/quote] That's not true, max MB does I believe 400% damage. Much nicer, being to hit over 10k quite early.

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