How Much Money Should I Have For Dexless?

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thread starter QuapPac May 03 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I am planning on making a dexless brawler/marauder/buccaneer. I have 175 mil, and I already have a Zhelm, so I wouldn't have to buy that. Will 175mil be enough? Possibly up to 25mil more from freinds?

My Characters: MythUnit - 39 Bellocan Spearman

PlayThatMelody 05/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

98% players tend to be a Low DEX Brawler. The Knuckle formula relies alot on STR...however, in the future levels (120+), Weapon Attack will mean more than AP stats and I'm pretty sure you don't want to stick with an MGC the entire way there.

My Characters: PIuses - 146 Scania Buccaneer

QuapPac 05/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Yeah, but you can always add up your base dex later, even if it won't help much, and get some of the equips to have dex instead of strength. But you know more than me of course, , but I think I will stick with DEXless/ low DEX and slowly raise my base DEX in the future levels. Udless this is bad? If you could please help me understand a bit more, that would be really helpful.

My Characters: MythUnit - 39 Bellocan Spearman

nornor 05/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Trust me, if your going dexless ur going to need to following. (it really depends on your end game) Zhelm 10dex + (100m) 20 dex + robe (varies -150m-200m) 10dex shoes (80m) 2/10dex pac (80m) MoN (40m) These are pretty much the basics for a bucc. Add all the dex 20+15+10+20+10+10+5=90 dex. If your planning on using a lvl 90 knuckler as your end game then u 'll need to build up some mesos for the above. @ above is gonna cost you atleast 350m (unless you maker, chance of BOOM) Good luck with everything. P.S. Im a 45 Base spending 3B on equips just saying.

My Characters: blesstrinity - 45 Khaini Cleric

myfisturmom 05/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] nornor : Trust me, if your going dexless ur going to need to following. (it really depends on your end game) Zhelm 10dex + (100m) 20 dex + robe (varies -150m-200m) 10dex shoes (80m) 2/10dex pac (80m) MoN (40m) These are pretty much the basics for a bucc. Add all the dex 20+15+10+20+10+10+5=90 dex. If your planning on using a lvl 90 knuckler as your end game then u 'll need to build up some mesos for the above. @ above is gonna cost you atleast 350m (unless you maker, chance of BOOM) Good luck with everything. P.S. Im a 45 Base spending 3B on equips just saying. [/quote] Lol, I'm 22 base and spent 3b on equips too ;)

My Characters: MyFistUrMom - 127 Bera Buccaneer

Plimpies 05/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

20 base(0m) 10 ear (100m?) 20 robe (125m?, way less if you maker) 5 MoN ( 20m in bera) 15 Zhelm (30m) 10 Shoes (50m, maker/scroll higher level ) 10 PAC (80m) 2-3 Aran ring(0m) 6 Blue Belt(3m for 100% dex scrolls) 1-2 level 70 or 120 medal(0m) Total 100 dex, fine for king cent, one of the 2 most common endgame choices. Cost: ~400m You'll also want att glove and a nice weapon

My Characters: Legendize - 115 Bera Marauder

QuapPac 05/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

How much would I save if I went with 30 base dex, or even 35?

My Characters: MythUnit - 39 Bellocan Spearman

bLY27 05/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

im a dexless equinox user and my damage is comparable to level 150s (im level 132)

My Characters: EastCoastYO - 133 Scania Dark Knight

myfisturmom 05/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] bLY27 : im a dexless equinox user and my damage is comparable to level 150s (im level 132) [/quote] What's your range o:?

My Characters: MyFistUrMom - 127 Bera Buccaneer

PlayThatMelody 05/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] bLY27 : im a dexless equinox user and my damage is comparable to level 150s (im level 132) [/quote] ~Low-dex in my opinion, not really dexless. The reason why I pointed out earlier that about 98% of Buccaneers I know are Low-dex is because the majority of Buccaneers do not use an MGC as an end-game knuckle. The idea of being a -less stat character was to pump all AP into the primary stat and scroll (making the main aim to) the primary stat. The idea of -less stat characters are to make AP stats their main source of power while using a Maple Weapon (because there is no DEX requirement). Scrolling in order to equip higher level knuckles however, I feel is "low-dex". I don't feel that a 20 DEX base and scrolling for DEX makes "dexless". There isn't much of a difference between inputting AP into STR and scrolling for DEX in comparison to inputting AP into DEX and scrolling for STR; it turns out to be nearly the same later on. The only few factors that fluctuate in scrolling for another stat are Maple Warrior (affecting base stats) and AP flexibility (costs and AP readjustment from equips). Sorry for putting the wall of text though...it's just been a pet peeve of mine on pondering with the "-less" term. =S

My Characters: PIuses - 146 Scania Buccaneer

Plimpies 05/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I agree, except for the case of warriors, because the vast majority of their weapons do not require dex. For warriors/aran, dexless = 4 base dex. for the other classes: if weapon does not require secondary stat -> statless if weapon requires secondary stat and base secondary stat is below weapon requirement -> low-stat if weapon requires secondary stat and base secondary stat is equal or above weapon requirement -> reg-stat On topic: it's not too hard to achieve +80 dex and be a 20 base cent user, but you gotta be wary of the fact that going with 30 base dex and pumping up your str/att gear could be more beneficial. This problem is also apparent in many dexless warriors who go with full acc gear to 100% hit stuff and flaunt their high base str, when going with a bit higher dex and a str top/dex bottom over an overall or a str pac over a dex one would make them stronger.

My Characters: Legendize - 115 Bera Marauder

YumAlfredo 05/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] PlayThatMelody : ~Low-dex in my opinion, not really dexless. The reason why I pointed out earlier that about 98% of Buccaneers I know are Low-dex is because the majority of Buccaneers do not use an MGC as an end-game knuckle. The idea of being a -less stat character was to pump all AP into the primary stat and scroll (making the main aim to) the primary stat. The idea of -less stat characters are to make AP stats their main source of power while using a Maple Weapon (because there is no DEX requirement). Scrolling in order to equip higher level knuckles however, I feel is "low-dex". I don't feel that a 20 DEX base and scrolling for DEX makes "dexless". There isn't much of a difference between inputting AP into STR and scrolling for DEX in comparison to inputting AP into DEX and scrolling for STR; it turns out to be nearly the same later on. The only few factors that fluctuate in scrolling for another stat are Maple Warrior (affecting base stats) and AP flexibility (costs and AP readjustment from equips). Sorry for putting the wall of text though...it's just been a pet peeve of mine on pondering with the "-less" term. =S [/quote] ^I agree with you. There is no such thing as a Dexless Buccaneer, 'cause none of us stick with MGC. Just like you can be a 4-Luck and still be Low-Luck DDS user, you just have better scrolled gear--doesn't make you a Lukless. OT: If you're going to be Dexless , you'll need just enough to get a little bit of Att and Acc equips, and maybe 30m towards a good MGC. If you're going Low Dex King Cent/Equinox, you're going to need A LOT. I've spent about a bil or two on equips already, and I'm only up to 100 total Dex (without MW).

My Characters: Eserine - 125 Scania Buccaneer

alexdmccoy 05/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] PlayThatMelody : ~Low-dex in my opinion, not really dexless. The reason why I pointed out earlier that about 98% of Buccaneers I know are Low-dex is because the majority of Buccaneers do not use an MGC as an end-game knuckle. The idea of being a -less stat character was to pump all AP into the primary stat and scroll (making the main aim to) the primary stat. The idea of -less stat characters are to make AP stats their main source of power while using a Maple Weapon (because there is no DEX requirement). Scrolling in order to equip higher level knuckles however, I feel is "low-dex". I don't feel that a 20 DEX base and scrolling for DEX makes "dexless". There isn't much of a difference between inputting AP into STR and scrolling for DEX in comparison to inputting AP into DEX and scrolling for STR; it turns out to be nearly the same later on. The only few factors that fluctuate in scrolling for another stat are Maple Warrior (affecting base stats) and AP flexibility (costs and AP readjustment from equips). Sorry for putting the wall of text though...it's just been a pet peeve of mine on pondering with the "-less" term. =S [/quote] I tend to disagree, because dexless defined simply is having only the amount of base dex needed to make your job advancement. Dexless craven users are still dexless if they only have 25 base DEX. Dexless king cent users/equinox users are STILL dexless because they only have 20 base. The elitist mentality of dexless only wearing maple weapons or the night ravens is simply untrue. Dexless=25 base dex for thieves and 20 base dex for pirates, 4 base for everything else. Equips don't matter in the slightest.

My Characters: FreeNoods - 155 KradiaGMS Buccaneer

sl3athOwl 05/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] PlayThatMelody : ~Low-dex in my opinion, not really dexless. The reason why I pointed out earlier that about 98% of Buccaneers I know are Low-dex is because the majority of Buccaneers do not use an MGC as an end-game knuckle. The idea of being a -less stat character was to pump all AP into the primary stat and scroll (making the main aim to) the primary stat. The idea of -less stat characters are to make AP stats their main source of power while using a Maple Weapon (because there is no DEX requirement). Scrolling in order to equip higher level knuckles however, I feel is "low-dex". I don't feel that a 20 DEX base and scrolling for DEX makes "dexless". There isn't much of a difference between inputting AP into STR and scrolling for DEX in comparison to inputting AP into DEX and scrolling for STR; it turns out to be nearly the same later on. The only few factors that fluctuate in scrolling for another stat are Maple Warrior (affecting base stats) and AP flexibility (costs and AP readjustment from equips). Sorry for putting the wall of text though...it's just been a pet peeve of mine on pondering with the "-less" term. =S [/quote] then by this logic, they're high str since they have aprox. 100-120 dex w/ equips then?

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PlayThatMelody 05/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

However the Maple Community decides to define these terms, I don't know, and there is no link that any of us has posted defining it. The definition of "xxx-less" has its meaning differently from person to person and until there is some kind of concrete meaning to these terms (where it is acknowledged as a fact somehow), we'll never exactly know the exact meaning. Until there's a stable definition, I'll stick with what I believe in. Besides, the suffix "-less" means "without" anyways...so literally, no one really hits the mark. @above: True. I think the Maple Community has only really looked on the secondary stat though when marking AP builds >_<

My Characters: PIuses - 146 Scania Buccaneer