Shadow Shifter or Venom Star?

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thread starter judgingbastard Apr 30 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I have concluded that TT 20 is adequte for my funding in maple. The extra 10% wont really do much, its like what 5000 to 5500 damage per hit? Anyways, regarding SS and VS, what would be better? I know more evade will help over all in bossing and training but how much does VS help in % per hour? I also took in consideration that VS is essentially useless in bossing, but if i can train faster I can max em both out faster...

MindSpaz 04/30/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

It's actually more like from 5k per hit to 6k per hit. OT : Venom star for sure. Every little extra bit of damage helps alot.

My Characters: MindSpazHero - 53 Windia Fighter

orangeking11 04/30/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Venom is kinda tricky because it really depends on the player's stats. If you're super strong and already 3 hit Skeles early, only a bit of Venom would be enough (some people go for 1-11 if that's there case). If you're really behind, then maxing it may help you get down to 3-hitting them pretty well. If you train often with an Archer with SE, Venom tends to help less too since your base damage with SE should be enough. xD So it's pretty much just a test+see kinda thing for Venom. xD

My Characters: Orange111 - 140 Broa Night Lord

judgingbastard 04/30/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] orangeking11 : Venom is kinda tricky because it really depends on the player's stats. If you're super strong and already 3 hit Skeles early, only a bit of Venom would be enough (some people go for 1-11 if that's there case). If you're really behind, then maxing it may help you get down to 3-hitting them pretty well. If you train often with an Archer with SE, Venom tends to help less too since your base damage with SE should be enough. xD So it's pretty much just a test+see kinda thing for Venom. xD [/quote] X.X, I am now more confused on what to put.. I do train with a BM who has Max SE, but i was always a max one skill first kinda person... if I am going to have to do like a hybrid 2 shadow 1 venom as i go along its gonna be totally weird for me.

orangeking11 04/30/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

If weird works, it works. That's all there is to it. xD

My Characters: Orange111 - 140 Broa Night Lord

judgingbastard 04/30/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] MindSpaz : It's actually more like from 5k per hit to 6k per hit. OT : Venom star for sure. Every little extra bit of damage helps alot. [/quote] Helps more than evading hella at bossing? And evading monsters when they spawn right on top of you and when u need to move away and saving tons of pots?

orangeking11 04/30/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

^That depends on the player as well. Some players just kill Anegoes for most of their exp and Shifter doesn't help much there. There are also players who don't mind skipping Shifter for a while since they don't really care about the pot-saving and how it helps maintain damage output. So to them the boost in base damage can be preferable. xD

My Characters: Orange111 - 140 Broa Night Lord

1337Platypus + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

The increase from TT20 to TT30 actually isn't that much (about 5%). If you haven't already done so, you should put some points into maple warrior and get it to 9 because it's almost as good as getting TT30 and it's free. As for Venom vs. Shifter, I would go Venom for training, and Shifter for bossing. Shifter is kind of lame until you get it to a decent level (+1% avoid rate each level D: ) and doesn't really affect your damage output that much. And be sure to have at least 1 pt in venom.

My Characters: HellDeath - 133 Bera Night Lord

dragonice1 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Well, Nightlords... I'm not exactly sure how much venom helps them. Yes, It's powerful, but you need to be mobbing for it to show it's true potential. From what I've seen, NL's don't mob. If you are weak for your level, it can be a great help for reducing the number of hits to a KO of a monster. Shadow shifter helps in all situations. The help is mild, but a reduction in potion use is always helpful. Too bad NL's don't get 11% shadow shifter at level 1.

My Characters: dragonice0 - 100 Windia Chief Bandit

orangeking11 04/30/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] dragonice1 : From what I've seen, NL's don't mob. [/quote] OMT/OG/COG mobs in ToT take a lot longer if you kill them 1 by 1. Harder to Taunt too since they like piling up. xD

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Miserably + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Trust me, shadow shifter is amazing. Some venom is nice to though. I've had shifter save my life while Anegoing<3 but at the same time, when I'm Zaking, and the top pillars fall down fake would appear and I'd still be stunned ._. Sometimes when I have HB, I'd sit on zak's 1st body and see how many misses/fakes would appear just for fun xD. Or I'd FJ over it just for the heck of it

My Characters: Miserably - 157 Bera Night Lord