Sudden Raid > Mages ultimate?

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thread starter buffcode Apr 26 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY8mk1S2td4 So most of my knowledge of the skill comes from this video and some others that I've seen. The skill seems pretty strong and spammable, and I've seen posts claiming that DBs are going to be the new leecher class- yet to know if this is true or not. I guess I wouldn't really mind if DBs got a better mob attack since I love my F/P, but then they're also going to have waaaaaaay higher DPS than mages 1v1, so what the hell.

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Juacar 04/26/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

It looks faster, but a hell of a lot weaker then a max ultimate. I don't think they're going to replace bishops or Archmages in leeching because mages will one shot mobs, thus making the spawn faster. But you're right, why does a high DPM 1v1 class get a Map Mob skill like that :|? Leave the map mobs ultimates to mages please, :[.

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xandi541 04/26/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

oui. they should nerf it so we still can pwn them in fullmap smashing.

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AoAoAVEX 04/26/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Juacar : It looks faster, but a hell of a lot weaker then a max ultimate. I don't think they're going to replace bishops or Archmages in leeching because mages will one shot mobs, thus making the spawn faster. But you're right, why does a high DPM 1v1 class get a Map Mob skill like that :|? Leave the map mobs ultimates to mages please, :[. [/quote] then again, who said the db's raid was maxed? :P If it were say level 10 or something, there would be low mastery, and the dmg is naturally low. he still does a strong 50 or 60k at times though, which is good enough for leeching purposes since it fires maybe 1.6 times faster than genesis

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Juacar 04/26/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] AoAoAVEX : then again, who said the db's raid was maxed? :P If it were say level 10 or something, there would be low mastery, and the dmg is naturally low. he still does a strong 50 or 60k at times though, which is good enough for leeching purposes since it fires maybe 1.6 times faster than genesis [/quote] You sir, might be right. WE'LL JUST HAVETO WAIT AND SEE. :D Also, was the 50-60k a crit or something? D: I just dislike that DBs are all flashy and stuff. Never quite been on the bandwagoning thing. :[ They shouldn't get an ultimate cause they also have high DPM - I'm told. :[.

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okamiboy1279 04/26/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Juacar : I just dislike that DBs are all flashy and stuff. Never quite been on the bandwagoning thing. :[ [/quote] Says the wolf and polar bear-launching Aran .

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yoman77 04/26/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

No No hs and unstable It will be good to train themselves but hs helps ALOT

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johny2toes 04/26/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

HS mule = solves HS problem. Also, arch mages sell leech too, they don't have HS. In regards to DB, once they have maxed Sudden Raid and maxed Venom they're pretty much as fast as arch mages. You can do almost 2 Sudden Raids in the time it takes for 1 mage ultimate so they'll be able to 2 hit skeles at best most likely.

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Firesword465 04/26/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

it has to be maxed, if you full screen it you can see a 2 in the hundred spot.

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Etrieys + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

No chance to beat archmages or bishops. At max, Sudden raid is 600% damage (Plus critical). That means for a 100% one-hit skeles (which would be needed to equal an Archmage) they must have a damage range at minimum 14166. I don't see that happening. Furthermore, even if they could 100% 2h, they'd still be killing at the same speed as a 4th job magician, which kills at the speed of spawn. Given their unstable damage and their limitations of damage ranges (IanRebourn, godly shad, having a 12k range considered absolutely amazing, we're talking an average 4th job mage can sell leech), I don't see in any way, shape or form how DB's could sell leech or even compete with archmages in that sense.

aznaran 04/26/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

if they can thats good then mages wont be the only fastest levelers -_-

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homeworksucks 04/26/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Etrieys : No chance to beat archmages or bishops. At max, Sudden raid is 600% damage (Plus critical). That means for a 100% one-hit skeles (which would be needed to equal an Archmage) they must have a damage range at minimum 14166. I don't see that happening. Furthermore, even if they could 100% 2h, they'd still be killing at the same speed as a 4th job magician, which kills at the speed of spawn. Given their unstable damage and their limitations of damage ranges (IanRebourn, godly shad, having a 12k range considered absolutely amazing, we're talking an average 4th job mage can sell leech), I don't see in any way, shape or form how DB's could sell leech or even compete with archmages in that sense. [/quote] add final cut for 60 seconds

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HawkShade 04/26/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Dual Blades really do have everything, huh.

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Etrieys 04/26/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] homeworksucks : add final cut for 60 seconds [/quote] Which still wouldn't one-hit everything and seeing as it has a time span on it I would expect an AM's ability to one-hit would remove its effectiveness, just like a F/P's mist. That being said there's also no clear details on it and its range nor effects. That being said it also only hits 8 mobs at once, versus AM's 15.

orangeking11 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] HawkShade : Dual Blades really do have everything, huh. [/quote] Whenever new classes come out, they seem to have less and less weaknesses, but they still lack a few of the benefits that make the other classes still special. As more classes come out, the existing classes will be less and less "special." Sounds bad, but the benefit is that players will more easily fit their specific prefs. xD But hey, we'll probably see less "too many Sins" since Arans and DBs (and maybe Sairs post-balance) will probably help "even" the population. xD

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