strong enough for zak/scar?

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thread starter notreetarded Apr 15 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm decently funded. Have an OK damage range for a lv105 axe sader. Do you guys think people will take me on zak/scar runs? I really hate grinding and it'll probably take me about a year to get to 120.

My Characters: AzNsN1P3R - 105 Windia Crusader

Tsumay 04/16/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I know with my runs, we don't take attackers under 120, the level difference tends to make even very strong players under 115, seem weak.

My Characters: Kaivora - 168 Bellocan Shadower

puny 04/16/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

aran > BM? wutt o,0

My Characters: miuumiuu - 120 Windia Dawn Warrior

whowudc4re + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Heroes are not even worth taking until they can do over 60-70Kx2 per brandish, with a 1handed sword, preferably Fast-4 ^_^. Any lower and a NL would be the better decision for zak.

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ProjectKami 04/16/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] whowudc4re : Heroes are not even worth taking until they can do over 60-70Kx2 per brandish, with a 1handed sword, preferably Fast-4 ^_^. Any lower and a NL would be the better decision for zak. [/quote] Way wrong. Not being overly proud about your class is good but 120k+? lol

My Characters: ProjectKamiB - 125 Windia Corsair

whowudc4re + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

60k is nothing =]. You'll need over 65Ks on a red katana to outdamage the NLs doing 40-45ks per star.

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SaderSader + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] moocow2001 : Uhmm... last time I checked, Heroes had the 4th best single target DPM in the game.... I don't know what you're talking about. They're not much worse than any of the ranged classes, and are usually quite welcome in boss runs. [/quote] Under solo conditions or something? What are you talking about.T-T Just because they're 4th doesnt mean they're anywhere near a NL's dmg, its a big step between 30k-40k per star and maybe 50k-60k per brandish for an equally funded Hero Sair>NL>MM>BM>Hero or Aran, so hero's arent 4th either way

whowudc4re + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Problem is there is no such thing is equally funded comparisons in-game. You're either better or worse. It's the realistic comparison, not theoretical. Realistic comparison in-game 1on1 based on population and their own funding, arans corsairs bms mms are nowhere close

My Characters: MyHarryThing - 183 Scania Hero

iJoonz 04/16/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

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moocow2001 04/16/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] SaderSader : Under solo conditions or something? What are you talking about.T-T Just because they're 4th doesnt mean they're anywhere near a NL's dmg, its a big step between 30k-40k per star and maybe 50k-60k per brandish for an equally funded Hero Sair>NL>MM>BM>Hero or Aran, so hero's arent 4th either way [/quote] First of all, MMs are worse than BMs or Heroes... I'm talking about standard party conditions... SE + apple. Also, NLs only hit 40k per star on crits. The comparison is a bit more complex than that.

My Characters: moocow2009 - 148 Bera Corsair

Xfinity 04/16/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Sorry, I would not take you on a run, simply because 4th job does make a huge difference

My Characters: BIackCows - 125 Broa Bow Master

whowudc4re + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

All these comparisons you guys are making are theoretical and not realistic. In Scania when I played, almost every NL was doin what 45k max per star? I easily outdamaged it 1on1 on Zakum 3rd body winning EXP doing 75~80k per brandish on Red Katana, simply because theres a difference in funding, you can't change that. When theres people like VarsityHero doing 100k+ per brandish he's basically unstoppable compared to everyone in your server, and only a NL from another server with his perfect gear doing 70k+ per star will outdamage him 1on1 with SE/Apple. That's what happens in-game, for every one, not just the insanely godly people. And you can't simply bring out a Corsair from no-where with the same fundings to outdamage them, it won't happen because the people with that funding selected a different class, leading to the imbalance of classes even though another class would be doing more DPM with the same amount of funds . As I've said, based on population and their own funding, realistically, Corsiars/BMs/MMs/Arans/etc. have a good theoretical outcome, but the main population is nothing compared to NLs/Heroes, only maybe 1 or 2 of each of those classes are godly, while the godly NL/Hero population is much more. In other words, it doesn't matter what class you choose , you'll get out-damaged by the supposedly weaker class that you decided not to play.

My Characters: MyHarryThing - 183 Scania Hero

SaderSader + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] moocow2001 : First of all, MMs are worse than BMs or Heroes... I'm talking about standard party conditions... SE + apple. Also, NLs only hit 40k per star on crits. The comparison is a bit more complex than that. [/quote] No theres actually damage calculations in the Bowman Section that shows MM has higher DPM than BM. Party Conditions = Hero crits very rarely with SE, NL crits 65%. Also 40k per star for a NL is below avg, im being generous >.> The comparison doesnt have to be any more complex than this T-T The more factors you add in the more it becomes apparant that NL wins. NL has a 15 minute apple, NL is ranged, NL attacks faster unless its some sort of katana/lionheart user

Xfinity 04/16/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] SaderSader : No theres actually damage calculations in the Bowman Section that shows MM has higher DPM than BM. Party Conditions = Hero crits very rarely with SE, NL crits 65%. Also 40k per star for a NL is below avg, im being generous >.> The comparison doesnt have to be any more complex than this T-T The more factors you add in the more it becomes apparant that NL wins. NL has a 15 minute apple, NL is ranged, NL attacks faster unless its some sort of katana/lionheart user [/quote] Eh, the only thing MM's have a disavantage on BMs is that apples have a lesser effect on MMs than BMs

My Characters: BIackCows - 125 Broa Bow Master