I've never said this about a class.

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thread starter Ceiling Apr 15 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Dual Bladers look overpowered. I've never said that about any class before. Their skills' damage is outrageous, and their speed is to envy. But what I hear is that they can only be made within a two-week period? Is that true? & also, will there be legends coming for Pirate + Bowman class as well? Vague thread, I know.

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[quote] johny2toes : I love seeing people claim facts that they don't know anything about. Okay some facts... 1.) They aren't Legends they will be able to Elin PQ and CWKPQ. 2.) They have higher HP then Dits and every long range class. 3.) Stack Effect (their puppet skill) does give some defense on HP, however this would less likely be used due to it getting rid of Mirror Image (Shadow Partner). 4.) They have NOTHING in common with any other class other then a Hermit's Flash Jump & Shadow Partner, and a Mage's ultimate. 5.) THEY ARE NOT LIKE SHADOWER'S GO LEARN SOME FACTS BEFORE YOU START BLURTING THINGS OUT OF YOUR MOUTH. 6.) They have the same range as an Aran this will mean that they can go to boss runs such as Zak with no HP washing needed, it'll just take control. 7.) They have invincibility frames, this adds protection. 8.) 3 months making time isn't a bad side effect, hello? You telling me your honestly not going to be around for 3 months when they come out to make one? This is only a bad thing AFTER you can't make them anymore. Response to 2: They wont die 'very easily' they have more then enough HP for any situation other then HT and PB. Response to 3: If you're too lazy to use more then one skill you shouldn't be making any of the new classes, it's rather pathetic if you're going to say you don't want to play them 'cause it's too much hassle to use both Flying Assaulter and Bloody Storm at the same time. Response to 4: The skills they use at bosses DO NOT MAKE THEM MOVE AT ALL. Do give them INVINCIBILITY FRAMES OMG THIS TOTALLY MAKES THEM DIE RIGHT? WRONG! they can survive bosses quite easily, and for the fact that Flash Bang works on bosses this adds to their avoidability. Response to 5: This is the same as 2, and again you're wrong. Not many players even want to Horntail + Pink Bean so using those as a defense to say their HP is crap is stupid. OT: They aren't overpowered, Blade hits are rather low and the drawback to them (more realistic one is) that Final Cut is only active 60% of the time. When this is active then you fully deal tons of damage. Once Final Cut is out and has to cooldown though your hits are rather low. Some people want to complain about that, however this is what makes them balances and not over-powered. [/quote] 1. They can barely take touch damage from Zak/Targa/Scar even WITH HB until 16x, they are a melee character, they are much more prone to attacks that KILL THEM IN 1HIT. Also no lolStance, I can see it now Character gets stunned > gets kbed into zak > lands on Zak > dies. 2. If you cannot properly chain your attacks together it lowers dps, and in some maps that wont be possible. Even in bossing situations, as seen from videos, a CoH and Fatal Blow Combination is used. 3. Some moves no longer have invincibility frames. 4. Lets see them PB or BF easily then. 5. Hes not wrong, Duel-Bladers are a melee class, they are much more prone to damage then other classes, even with invincibility frames. And as a side not

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johny2toes 04/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] MorbidMagus : 1. They can barely take touch damage from Zak/Targa/Scar even WITH HB until 16x, they are a melee character, they are much more prone to attacks that KILL THEM IN 1HIT. [/quote] With proper control you SHOULDN'T be taking any touch damage from Zak. Targa and Scar you're pretty much fine till 3rd body, then you just have to time your attacks so CoH's invincibility frames will work to your benefit. [quote] MorbidMagus : 2. If you cannot properly chain your attacks together it lowers dps, and in some maps that wont be possible. Even in bossing situations, as seen from videos, a CoH and Fatal Blow Combination is used. [/quote] When did I say you shouldn't use combinations? I said if you're too lazy to bother doing so you shouldn't make the class. [quote] MorbidMagus : 3. Some moves no longer have invincibility frames. [/quote] CoH their strongest 1v1 skill however does. [quote] MorbidMagus : 4. Lets see them PB or BF easily then. [/quote] No class can PB without HP washing. BF we wont know till they come out, but the invincibility frames could let them quite easily possibly kill BF [quote] MorbidMagus : 5. Hes not wrong, Duel-Bladers are a melee class, they are much more prone to damage then other classes, even with invincibility frames. [/quote] He is wrong about them dying easily. They wont die nearly as easy as a low lv bowmaster in training. And they'll be fine with proper control in boss runs.

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[quote] MorbidMagus : 1. They can barely take touch damage from Zak/Targa/Scar even WITH HB until 16x, they are a melee character, they are much more prone to attacks that KILL THEM IN 1HIT. Also no lolStance, I can see it now Character gets stunned > gets kbed into zak > lands on Zak > dies. [/quote] With Adv DS activated most of time due to using CoH, and with Auto HP, along with character control. You dying at Zak is impossible. [quote] MorbidMagus : 2. If you cannot properly chain your attacks together it lowers dps, and in some maps that wont be possible. Even in bossing situations, as seen from videos, a CoH and Fatal Blow Combination is used. [/quote] Flying Assaulter and Bloody Storm can be easily chained together. Flying Assaulter and Tornado spin is harder but proves to better for grouping mobs. This video basically owns your comment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsmC488RcsY [quote] MorbidMagus : 3. Some moves no longer have invincibility frames. [/quote] DB's have them invincibility frames. [quote] MorbidMagus : 4. Lets see them PB or BF easily then. [/quote] BF needs testing before making that assumption and PB requires hp washing for any ranged, low hp melee class. [quote] MorbidMagus : 5. Hes not wrong, Duel-Bladers are a melee class, they are much more prone to damage then other classes, even with invincibility frames. [/quote] I love how people forget that there thieves and have extreme amounts of avoid and along with flash bang and DS there kind of untouchable. Also expect DB's to be released June-July.

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mage132 04/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Theres gonna be Ians and Utans from what I've heard of.

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Kao 04/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] johny2toes : I love seeing people claim facts that they don't know anything about. Okay some facts... 1.) They aren't Legends they will be able to Elin PQ and CWKPQ. 2.) They have higher HP then Dits and every long range class. 3.) Stack Effect (their puppet skill) does give some defense on HP, however this would less likely be used due to it getting rid of Mirror Image (Shadow Partner). 4.) They have NOTHING in common with any other class other then a Hermit's Flash Jump & Shadow Partner, and a Mage's ultimate. 5.) THEY ARE NOT LIKE SHADOWER'S GO LEARN SOME FACTS BEFORE YOU START BLURTING THINGS OUT OF YOUR MOUTH. 6.) They have the same range as an Aran this will mean that they can go to boss runs such as Zak with no HP washing needed, it'll just take control. 7.) They have invincibility frames, this adds protection. 8.) 3 months making time isn't a bad side effect, hello? You telling me your honestly not going to be around for 3 months when they come out to make one? This is only a bad thing AFTER you can't make them anymore. Response to 2: They wont die 'very easily' they have more then enough HP for any situation other then HT and PB. Response to 3: If you're too lazy to use more then one skill you shouldn't be making any of the new classes, it's rather pathetic if you're going to say you don't want to play them 'cause it's too much hassle to use both Flying Assaulter and Bloody Storm at the same time. Response to 4: The skills they use at bosses DO NOT MAKE THEM MOVE AT ALL. Do give them INVINCIBILITY FRAMES OMG THIS TOTALLY MAKES THEM DIE RIGHT? WRONG! they can survive bosses quite easily, and for the fact that Flash Bang works on bosses this adds to their avoidability. Response to 5: This is the same as 2, and again you're wrong. Not many players even want to Horntail + Pink Bean so using those as a defense to say their HP is crap is stupid. OT: They aren't overpowered, Blade hits are rather low and the drawback to them (more realistic one is) that Final Cut is only active 60% of the time. When this is active then you fully deal tons of damage. Once Final Cut is out and has to cooldown though your hits are rather low. Some people want to complain about that, however this is what makes them balances and not over-powered. [/quote] I love how I see you in every thread related to DBs haha.

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[quote] Kao : I love how I see you in every thread related to DBs haha. [/quote] I am to...just not as much as Jay....I only post in threads his posted in.

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Kao 04/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Jondalicious : I am to...just not as much as Jay....I only post in threads his posted in. [/quote] Hahah, I'll be sure to remember your name ;]

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[quote] johny2toes : With proper control you SHOULDN'T be taking any touch damage from Zak. Targa and Scar you're pretty much fine till 3rd body, then you just have to time your attacks so CoH's invincibility frames will work to your benefit. When did I say you shouldn't use combinations? I said if you're too lazy to bother doing so you shouldn't make the class. CoH their strongest 1v1 skill however does. No class can PB without HP washing. BF we wont know till they come out, but the invincibility frames could let them quite easily possibly kill BF He is wrong about them dying easily. They wont die nearly as easy as a low lv bowmaster in training. And they'll be fine with proper control in boss runs. [/quote] 1. See my edit. 2.I misread your post, my bad. 3. and as we already saw CoH can't be used in every situation, goodbye Horntail. I lol at the fact at even considering Targa/SL. 4. Heroes, Paladins, Evans, Archmages, and Bishops say hi. 5. Proper control at Zak? Sure, the few players that will manage to Control their character at Zak will do just fine, not that they will reach their best dps at Zak considering the reasons I already discussed, but sure. The few players that have control and can avoid any mishaps of being kb'd into Zakum, or avoid any lag will do just fine. Horntail, Pink Bean, Targa, Scarlion, are a different story, without sacrificing dps that is, or heavily washing. Bigfoot could be highly problematic, especially if Chains of Hell doesn't have a Demolition effect on him, or CoH grabs a wraith while bigfoot is on his ass, I highly doubt even a highly skilled Duel-Blader will be able to avoid damage at Bigfoot like a Buccaneer can, in which case, heavily washing is required. And I have never seen a bowmaster die in an area he has enough hp for. and in response to the flash bang argument that was pointed out somewhere above, we don't know just yet if its INTENDED to work on Bosses, even so, not even shadowers rely on avoid-ability to survive damage at places that can 1hit them.

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johny2toes 04/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Zak was never difficult to control, at least for myself. Taking Aran's into consideration here, yes at early 4th job Zak was able to easily 1 hit kill them with touch damage. I however never died (3 times do to considerable lag / d/c hackers ruining the run) Granted over 90% of the Aran population however did, what I noticed when actually zaking with other Aran's that do complain about dying is that they either lack the control (rushing into Zak), or stood as close as what any other warrior class would (Aran's have a further range then Warriors), and lastly once stunned any of them went key pressing, unfortunately right after your stunned it's very likely that your character will automatically do the last command (and if you're pressing your arrow keys this could 'cause an auto-rush after stun) Dual Blade's however... Don't have as many drawbacks in Zak control, already having invincibility with CoH (Which btw @ Jando ADS doesn't stay active with CoH) this'll avoid many hits, even on an Aran you can Zak with hardly ever getting hit by stuns / 1/1 if it's timed properly. Thankfully for Dual Blade their invincibility frame is longer lasting. I think Flash Bang working on bosses was also intentional, the skill is rather pointless to even put SP into if you can't use it on bosses, and giving it a cooldown would also make it pointless. Either way this also plays a large part in DB being able to survive. With -85 Accuracy that already gives every other class a normal thieves avoid rate (double this for actual thieves). There's many reasons Dual Blade have a reason to survive in Zak, But I will grant not that many people will bother to learn how to use the class properly, so at least 90% of the DB population who do get that far to 4th job will probably complain about the control and everything.

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Takeback3r 04/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Another DB thread with BS statements? Can't we do something new for once, guys? CoH has enough range to hit scarlion from the platform above him. Meaning they won't ever need to take 8k to boss there.

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orylidc 04/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

um who says DB have low hp? srsly i have a lv 7x DB in kms and we have blades and other equips that give hella alot of hp i don't get where people are getting these arguments lol

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[quote] orylidc : um who says DB have low hp? srsly i have a lv 7x DB in kms and we have blades and other equips that give hella alot of hp i don't get where people are getting these arguments lol [/quote] This also. Thanks to their equips DBs also have HP far surpassing Sins/Dits, adding onto survivability. If you don't mind me asking, how much HP specifically does your DB have? (Also what lv specifically?)

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[quote] johny2toes : This also. Thanks to their equips DBs also have HP far surpassing Sins/Dits, adding onto survivability. If you don't mind me asking, how much HP specifically does your DB have? (Also what lv specifically?) [/quote] http://spadow.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/kmst-v291-dual-blade/ this shows all the equips for dual blades and info and you can clearly see all the hp these diff equips give. and i believe their hp increases alot per lv they have pretty good hp not DK lv but more than shadowers and NL and i have a lv 105 cb in GMS and my DB in kms i believe has alot more hp than my cb did at his lv and i train at high lv monsters and i never die except im not funded so it takes me long to kill compared to others but DB are stronger than any class unfunded imo edit: oh yeah and we get way more HP than all thiefs and some other classes because we get 6 job adv and each time you job adv your hp basically doubles..

Takeback3r 04/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Nice job dodging the question, bro.

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orylidc 04/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Takeback3r : Nice job dodging the question, bro. [/quote] not dodging waiting.. i cant post a SS yet because i'm in schoola nd i can't get on maple my laptop doesnt have MS -_-"