Dualblades and shadowers

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thread starter norman687 Apr 13 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Which one would do more dpm 1v1 and 1v3? zakum arms then body.

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truealbo123 04/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

WTF are dual bladers?

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johny2toes 04/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] truealbo123 : WTF are dual bladers? [/quote] New thief adventurer branch that use both a dagger and blade weapon. The blade goes into the previous shield slot for other adventurers and acts like a Khanjar but much more powerful. They're attacks are pretty much Hack N' Slash styled and their damage range is split in half, half the hits they deal are Dagger ranged, while the other half are Blade ranged (Blades have slightly lower atk then claws) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsmC488RcsY This is an example of DBs training style. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5j0ZpoDn8w And respectively make decent bossers.

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Sigyle 04/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Dual Bladders would do more damage, but then they would go to another boss, and die rather fast.

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orangeking11 04/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Jondalicious : Stuff + Great 1v1ers Great 1vMobs Great Supporting skill Overall: Great class. EDIT: Sorry if my information about certain skills like thorns is wrong. [/quote] Thorns is kinda like SI from Bucs. Works well for some classes, but not so well for others. xD Doesn't work for BMs/MMs/NLs at all and doesn't have full effect on Evans and Arans. If SE didn't work with the non-final hits of Assassinate, it won't be able to stack on that for Shads either. And for Bucs, it only applies on Bucs when monsters are Stunned. I kinda have to disagree with your list too. 1v1, vsmobs, and a supportive skill lacks a lot of attributes that other classes hold (like Alchemist, Rush/Corkscrew Punch, Seal, Infinity, Shadow Shifter, etc.). Just too basic. xD And why aren't Evans a class? xD And to me, I wouldn't call DBs "retarded cousins which you will realize that are better" since even though they're a nice class with some nice perks, it's hard to outweigh them over another class. To me, DBs are like a famous celebrity and Thieves are like charity workers. Some think one's better, others don't. xD

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norman687 04/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] johny2toes : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5j0ZpoDn8w DPM wise... Dual Blade's beat Shadowers by a long shot 1v1. 1v3 as well, Dual Blade's mob skill Bloody Storm strikes 8 monsters 2 times with 280% damage and 280% range. Training wise, this would also be combined with Flying Assaulter to rush monsters together. Flying Assaulter strikes 8 monsters 2 times with 400% damage and 7% chance of stunning and 320% range. Both of these together automatically out damage pretty much every single class training wise, with Mirror Image applied that's an extra double amount of hits with 60%. Thanks to their mobility capability with rushing and also having Flash Jump, Shadower's cannot compare training wise. [/quote] The Shadower's having thorns too?

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johny2toes 04/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Shadower's don't get Thorns. It's a DB skill. It does however, effect Shadower's.

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Jokke91 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] johny2toes : Shadower's don't get Thorns. It's a DB skill. It does however, effect Shadower's. [/quote] i highly doubt about that. Nexon hates Shads. if they didnt hate shads. they should fix the part that Assasinate hits would work with SE. so what makes Thorns work with it? And B-step/Assasinate Macro > SB/B-step macro. Yea its obvious Thorns will work better for Shads but it still doesnt probably boost the main dmg of Shadower. Thorns=35% chance of making 250% dmg. Well SE works pretty weirdly for shads. its like 150% more dmg with SE with B-step.(With that 15% chance to crit) and then Savage blow has same 15% chance of doing crit with SE, but when SB hit crits it does atleast +300% more dmg. So it doesnt make that huge diffrence in the end. Edit: But if it does actually work. Avg Shad at 16x does with non charged assasinate 25k-40 hits with war elix/cider with MW20. if those hit would crit with that 250% dmg and have the actual 35% chance. Then Shads and Dual Blades should start working together and outdmg everything.

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johny2toes 04/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Won't know, Shads are the only class that Thorns hasn't been fully tested on. In a party however as for support wise, they already will help eachother alot. Despite Flash Bang is alot more better in terms of cooldowns. having a 1 minute frame of invincibility (Smokescreen) followed by a thieves avoid rate doubled basically thanks to Flash Bang,. Throw in some buccs to time leap the Shads and you're practically never getting hit once in an entire bossing situation. Shads, Buccs, and DB together as for hardly taking damage, would make one of the best party formations.

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Jokke91 04/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] johny2toes : Won't know, Shads are the only class that Thorns hasn't been fully tested on. In a party however as for support wise, they already will help eachother alot. Despite Flash Bang is alot more better in terms of cooldowns. having a 1 minute frame of invincibility (Smokescreen) followed by a thieves avoid rate doubled basically thanks to Flash Bang,. Throw in some buccs to time leap the Shads and you're practically never getting hit once in an entire bossing situation. Shads, Buccs, and DB together as for hardly taking damage, would make one of the best party formations. [/quote] This time i must agree with you.

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Ravordyn 04/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

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valint9 04/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] johny2toes : Shadower's don't get Thorns. It's a DB skill. It does however, effect Shadower's. [/quote] I think he means in this thread.

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groundonrage 04/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Jokke91 : i highly doubt about that. Nexon hates Shads. if they didnt hate shads. they should fix the part that Assasinate hits would work with SE. so what makes Thorns work with it? And B-step/Assasinate Macro > SB/B-step macro. Yea its obvious Thorns will work better for Shads but it still doesnt probably boost the main dmg of Shadower. Thorns=35% chance of making 250% dmg. Well SE works pretty weirdly for shads. its like 150% more dmg with SE with B-step.(With that 15% chance to crit) and then Savage blow has same 15% chance of doing crit with SE, but when SB hit crits it does atleast +300% more dmg. So it doesnt make that huge diffrence in the end. Edit: But if it does actually work. Avg Shad at 16x does with non charged assasinate 25k-40 hits with war elix/cider with MW20. if those hit would crit with that 250% dmg and have the actual 35% chance. Then Shads and Dual Blades should start working together and outdmg everything. [/quote] maybe its because SE does make your damage 140% stronger? ._. http://www.basilmarket.com/MapleStory-Bow-Master-Skills.html

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darkomega 04/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

DB's have already been proven to not be that amazing in 1v1 or in mobs. in 1v1 they outdo shads but so do most classes, and without taunt or meso guard DB's are essentially screwed training wise, if you think that frames make you able to train somewhere enemies do more dmg than you have in hp, you are horribly mistaken. thorns is an amazing skill that i kind of think they should nerf, but thats whatever. its their biggest strength and its a buff. DB will be more considered mules than anything else. they lose to every class DPM wise on bosses other than buccs, shads, and drks (?), i completely agree with the comment that everyones hyping them up, they have some sexy looking skills, and i plan to make one, but that doesnt make them anywhere NEAR as godly as you guys are trying to make them sound lol

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valint9 04/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] darkomega : DB's have already been proven to not be that amazing in 1v1 or in mobs. in 1v1 they outdo shads but so do most classes, and without taunt or meso guard DB's are essentially screwed training wise, if you think that frames make you able to train somewhere enemies do more dmg than you have in hp, you are horribly mistaken. thorns is an amazing skill that i kind of think they should nerf, but thats whatever. its their biggest strength and its a buff. DB will be more considered mules than anything else. they lose to every class DPM wise on bosses other than buccs, shads, and drks (?), i completely agree with the comment that everyones hyping them up, they have some sexy looking skills, and i plan to make one, but that doesnt make them anywhere NEAR as godly as you guys are trying to make them sound lol [/quote] Is that true?

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darkomega 04/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

i think i should point out that im not really into considering chars as "mules" i just meant thats what most ppl would consider them. my mains a bucc afterall lol i dont have anything against the class, it shouldnt, and cant be perfect...but you guys are making it sound like it is lol

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