So I was thinking about making a Bowman but

basilmarket.com forums : Bowman | 15 posts archived

thread starter tailz2k6 Apr 11 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

There were just so many cons to it Vs. the 1 Pro they have... Pros - Sharp Eyes Cons - NL's and Sairs outdo them DPM wise, Not as good as mobbing as Warriors and Buccs are, no amazing AoE's that hit 15 monsters like Mages... Now for Defense: No High HP (Warriors/Buccs) No high MP and Magic Guard (Mages) No ability to avoid every pshyical attack with Dark Sight (Thieves). IMO only good for Sharp Eyes. Wind Archers don't have that, so I would never see any point in making that, especially when a NW could do better anyway. Anyway thats my opinion on Archers, hopefully no feelings hurt. So could anyone find any reason to make one instead of the other classes (besides for sharp eyes) and why? It seems as if Archers aren't the best at anything.

My Characters: UltraPolearm - 132 Windia Aran in Hope

SaderSader 04/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

The thing is you need enough moneys to pay for NL's 400m skillbook, and Sair trains butt slow but still needs to be high enough lvl keep its ship alive. BM isnt really the best at anything but i guess at least its decent in a lot of things O.o. Pros- Not as much competition compared to NLs, shoot faster than NLs, best solo DPM probably (MM and maybe hero is better), hurricane looks cooler than TT, trains faster than NL/sair, BM can walk shoot, better close range options, doesnt fail at PyPQ, mobbing skills dont suck donkey nuts On the other hand, according to dmg formulas, eventually a godly enough NL will outdmg an equally godly BM even without SE O.o, and a 120 bow costs a shizload.

Kevvl + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Sadly, almost all your cons are incorrect. 1) Both Bowmasters and Marksmen generally do as-well or better than an SE'd Nightlord, and always do better than a Nightlord without SE. 2) A Marksman's mobbing skill Pierce is the second strongest skill in the game on targets of 6. It's only beaten by a Paladin's Advanced Charge Blow in terms of DPS (Yes, that includes Arch Mages and includes the charge time.) 3) Puppet, Frostprey/Eagle/Hawk, Blizzard/ArrowBomb, Power Knockback, Mortal Blow, Hamstring/Blind, Dragon's Breath. All help us to eliminate threats, immobilizing, pushing, or even controlling our opponents nomatter what range they're at. We're not the best, but we're extremely high tiered in all areas. If you don't want to make an Archer, don't. It's that simple.

My Characters: Kevvl14 - 142 Bera Marksman

Peechyboy69 04/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] tailz2k6 : IMO only good for Sharp Eyes. [/quote] Run while you can. That's the ONLY warning I'll give you.

My Characters: Khrronos - 35 Scania Aran in Memory

Freeinternet 04/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Bowmen are excellent at controlling monsters, which Kevvl already said, with their summons, Puppet, Power Knock Back, and Dragon Breath, they all make a very potent combo to make monsters do what you want them to do.

My Characters: Freemodem3rd - 135 Khaini Marksman

kevinccf 04/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Our one pro is sharpeyes? I would rather take the wide range of skills the archer class is known for over that.

My Characters: kevinccf - 152 Broa Bow Master

Peechyboy69 04/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I think this guy's flamebaiting to be honest. Probably best to shut this thread D=

My Characters: Khrronos - 35 Scania Aran in Memory

senyu 04/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

If you don't like archers, don't make one. Don't force yourself either; I think we, archers, are fine without a person like you thinking every other class is above us.

My Characters: Siivet - 119 Khaini Ranger

Kevvl 04/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Peechyboy69 : I think this guy's flamebaiting to be honest. Probably best to shut this thread D= [/quote] I would in any other forum, but I know the Bowmen here too well. He'll be dead before he leaves.

My Characters: Kevvl14 - 142 Bera Marksman

darkomega + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

im not so sure whether he's flaming though, perhaps mislead? i've heard some pretty odd idea's about bowmen myself. for example: someone in cpq once claimed to me that BM/MM have the worst DPM in the game, and even the SE they give doesnt make up for their low dmg. of course thats not true whether he believed it or not, but its never bad to turn lost people towards the right path i suppose.

My Characters: AeroBlade3 - 97 Broa Ranger

LapisLazuli 04/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I always find it hilarious when some guy comes into the bowman section and tells people that the only thing a bowman is good for is SE. God dammit, don't be an archer if you think that there are so many cons and only one pro. No one's friggin forcing you to choose the archer path, go do some research before posting something so ignorant in a forum section full of people you're inadvertently insulting by doing so.

My Characters: WaterCoIour - 80 Windia Sniper

orangeking11 04/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Aran are best at what? Lolcombos? xD

My Characters: Nectarine111 - 41 Broa Evan 4th Growth

hardballer 04/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

lol someone is a damage hoe D; if you want to make one just do it and by level 50 youll know if you want to continue...if not dont if so do

My Characters: TheFineFlu - 113 Broa Sniper

StanBert 04/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Oh no you didn't!

My Characters: TWBub - 141 Bera Bow Master

Ravordyn + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Just because a class isn't "the best at anything" doesn't mean it can't be great at everything. I'd take a class that was above average in almost every aspect than a class that was OMGLOLAMAZING at one thing, but worthless at everything else. Also, you're comparing the classes in terms of gaming potential and not fun. While I respect some people make characters specifically for being WTFGodly, I feel as though the fun aspect is important to any class as well. I personally don't have a high-leveled archer, but when I made one for fun, I enjoyed it. My archer friends complain about low hp, but that's about the only thing I hear them complain about. Their attacks are about controlling mobs and dealing lots of damage quickly along with -PERSONAL- support skills like their birds/puppet. They may not have the dps of an NL or a Sair, but that doesn't mean they're BBQFAIL. My advice would be just to make one and see if you enjoy it. Or make another class that you feel doesn't have as many cons.

My Characters: Ravordyn - 132 Bellocan Shadower