Could Evans be a bossing class?

thread starter Ihurt4fun Apr 08 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

If this was asked before flame me. I am a little tired of my slinger and he is only level 4x. So If I make a semi-funded LUKless evan could it be a bossing class?

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Xeroko + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Of all the mages to bring to a boss, I think Evan would be best. They have great party buffs; Damage taken -30% (Lasts 20sec, Cool down of 40sec [literally up half the time]) Slow (which was argued as a reason to bring a mage to Pink Bean in a thread I read earlier this month) Elemental Damage taken -20% Damage dealt to target +5% 80% MP recovery cloud (similar to smokescreen's effect, except it heals MP) that last 30 seconds, cool down of only 1min (!) Auto-Life for 2 random party members with a cool down of 10min. On top of those buffs, they can also do decent damage with Illusion (130%x4) and magic enhancement skills (Magic Mastery [90%] +15MATT, Dragon's Fury +110% magic damage, Critical +150% damage [30% activation]). EDIT- A big question on my mind if whether or not SE or Thorns will work with Critical Magic. If so, that's even MORE damage they'd bring to the table.

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hongyu1230 04/08/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Xeroko : Of all the mages to bring to a boss, I think Evan would be best. They have great party buffs; Damage taken -30% (Lasts 20sec, Cool down of 40sec [literally up half the time]) Slow (which was argued as a reason to bring a mage to Pink Bean in a thread I read earlier this month) Elemental Damage taken -20% Damage dealt to target +5% 80% MP recovery cloud (similar to smokescreen's effect, except it heals MP) that last 30 seconds, cool down of only 1min (!) Auto-Life for 2 random party members with a cool down of 10min. On top of those buffs, they can also do decent damage with Illusion (130%x4) and magic enhancement skills (Magic Mastery [90%] +15MATT, Dragon's Fury +110% magic damage, Critical +150% damage [30% activation]). [/quote] I would rather bring a bishop for zak for hs and door, for HT and PB evans might be a better decision.

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kmarts3curity 04/08/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] hongyu1230 : I would rather bring a bishop for zak for hs and door, for HT and PB evans might be a better decision. [/quote] that is becuase ur lazy and dont wanna walk

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Glory 04/08/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] hongyu1230 : For their dps? No, their dps is that of less than a arch mages but higher than a bishops. For their support? Magic shield might help ranged survive HT or Maybe PB. [/quote] Eh, evans have the best dps and dpm among the magicians. They have some very powerful skills like killed wings and illusion that combined with critical magic and magic booster can out damage any magician skill and deal a very decent amount of damage to any boss, regardless of his elemental status. Also, they have very useful support skills designed to protect the party against both physical and magical damage, among other things.

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hongyu1230 04/08/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] kmarts3curity : that is becuase ur lazy and dont wanna walk [/quote] having door = saves time, get everyone ready in case they need to repot, makes altars easier to get. Hs = more decent exp from zak Evan = lowers general dmg done to you zak magic dmg = 3k max, or pretty much you should have that much by lvl 120 anyways

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Xeroko 04/08/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] hongyu1230 : I would rather bring a bishop for zak for hs and door, for HT and PB evans might be a better decision. [/quote] @door Door mule @HS You've got me there. Bishops are the better mage if you want more EXP. But at best, you bring in 4+ people for the max buff, and ONE person gets good EXP (the person who does the most damage). Everyone else gets an extra 40% of their 20% share, AKA 28%.

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Abysseon 04/08/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Glory : Eh, evans have the best dps and dpm among the magicians. They have some very powerful skills like killed wings and illusion that combined with critical magic and magic booster can out damage any magician skill and deal a very decent amount of damage to any boss, regardless of his elemental status. Also, they have very useful support skills designed to protect the party against both physical and magical damage, among other things. [/quote] Archmages have better dpm than evans until 160+, and even then the damage difference is hardly significant enough to warrant evans having superiority. With the damage calculations taken into account, F/P has the highest DPM followed by I/L. Evans are not a bossing class for their damage. Their buffs are the only thing that helps them in that aspect.

Xeroko 04/08/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Abysseon : Archmages have better dpm than evans until 160+, and even then the damage difference is hardly significant enough to warrant evans having superiority. With the damage calculations taken into account, F/P has the highest DPM followed by I/L. Evans are not a bossing class for their damage. Their buffs are the only thing that helps them in that aspect. [/quote] Forgive me for using an old phrase but, "SS of it didn't happen." Atleast back up your claim with proof. Show me these "calculations" you have, please.

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AranRaptor 04/08/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Glory : Eh, evans have the best dps and dpm among the magicians. [/quote] Proof please. OT: Evans seem like attack bishops, with loads of buffing skills. Taking one to a boss run can't be a bad idea.

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hongyu1230 04/08/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Xeroko : Forgive me for using an old phrase but, "SS of it didn't happen." Atleast back up your claim with proof. Show me these "calculations" you have, please. [/quote] [quote] Glory : Eh, evans have the best dps and dpm among the magicians. They have some very powerful skills like killed wings and illusion that combined with critical magic and magic booster can out damage any magician skill and deal a very decent amount of damage to any boss, regardless of his elemental status. Also, they have very useful support skills designed to protect the party against both physical and magical damage, among other things. [/quote] Their best dps/dpm attack is blaze+ele wand 5 Blaze cast time is takes 1320 ms time to cast cl and paralyze have much less maybe am's don't have the output now, the balance patch changed am's amp to 150% and evan's amp is still 135% I will search up the thread from s0uthperry if I can.

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irT3hSex 04/08/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Xeroko : Forgive me for using an old phrase but, "SS of it didn't happen." Atleast back up your claim with proof. Show me these "calculations" you have, please. [/quote] I get the feeling his calculations involve spamming ultimates...

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Abysseon + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Xeroko : Forgive me for using an old phrase but, "SS of it didn't happen." Atleast back up your claim with proof. Show me these "calculations" you have, please. [/quote] Lol, look on s*perry for a few of those caculations. Evan's damage potential with Blaze+EW5 or Illusion/Illusion+GL spam are still being disputed against archmages+summons. People were given the impression about evans greatly outdamaging ams during their initial release. However, there pretty close when it comes to late game. AMs=Evans more or less when it comes to DMP. AMs>Evans when it comes to training. Evans>AMs when it comes to buffs being wanted for boss runs. Despite evans having the better buffs, there still replaceable along with bishops when it comes to pink been.

TheJustice 04/08/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

It wouldn't be a bad idea to bring one, but expect to be brought along to bosses in about the same ratio as the A/M's, if just a little more. Bishops are usually a necessity, but Evans are not so much. DPM/DPS still goes to Corsair, NL, and Hero. Evans would be expected to be mostly a support class at bosses and not much else. Kind of like DK's, who attack, but are mostly there for the HB.

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Xeroko + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Abysseon : Lol, look on s*perry for a few of those caculations. Evan's damage potential with Blaze+EW5 or Illusion/Illusion+GL spam are still being disputed against archmages+summons. People were given the impression about evans greatly outdamaging ams during their initial release. However, there pretty close when it comes to late game. [/quote] Alright, I'll tell ya what. I haven't seen these calculations but, ASSUMING that an AM does out-damage an Evan at bosses , Evans are still more useful. As you said, no one takes Evans to bosses for damage; same for AMs and Bishops. :P When all is said and done (if the calculations are true), Evans have great buffs and decent damage. AMs have slightly better damage, but no awesome buffs to accompany it.

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hongyu1230 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Xeroko : Alright, I'll tell ya what. I haven't seen these calculations but, ASSUMING that an AM does out-damage an Evan at bosses , Evans are still more useful. As you said, no one takes Evans to bosses for damage; same for AMs and Bishops. :P [/quote] Found it http://www.s0uthperry.net/showthread.php?t=25225, replace 0 with o The main point of a bishop in zak is really for hs, barely anyone dies unless they are unexperienced. As I said HT and PB are different, what's the awsome buff in which you are talking about? taking dmg off zak wouldn't help any ranged classes and they do the most dps/dpm out of all classes.

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