Which mage is stronger?

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thread starter iBlueB3rry Mar 29 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

are clerics stronger than evan?

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AngelxHoly + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

No. Except in 4th job, because Bishops actually get an ultimate. Then again, who needs an ultimate when you have flame wheel.

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aznhobo100 03/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

When the balance patch comes out, F/P is strongest by far. :D

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AngelxHoly 03/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] aznhobo100 : When the balance patch comes out, F/P is strongest by far. :D [/quote] He was asking if Cleric > Evan in damage. F/P's are I/L's weren't mentioned.

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Pedrof1990 03/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Nobody here has played an Evan in GMS, so nobody knows the answer to your question.

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AngelxHoly + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Pedrof1990 : Nobody here has played an Evan in GMS, so nobody knows the answer to your question. [/quote] You don't have to. Look at the skill %'s of the skills, you can use that to determine what is stronger. Evan have ele-amp, if I remember correctly. That already puts them in the lead.

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Pedrof1990 03/30/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] AngelxHoly : You don't have to. Look at the skill %'s of the skills, you can use that to determine what is stronger. Evan have ele-amp, if I remember correctly. That already puts them in the lead. [/quote] Judging the class potential just by looking at %s is a huge mistake. As an example, Shadower's Boomerang Step is by far stronger than Night Lord's Triple Throw. Do Shadowers do more damage than Night Lords? No.

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TheLostPuppy 03/30/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

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Pedrof1990 03/30/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] TheLostPuppy : umm in terms of bigger numbers shadowers do higher damage.. NL's just atk faster [/quote] Exactly! Attack speed plays of the most important roles, with %s and we don't know anything about Evan's attacking speed, and the cooldowns of their skills

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AngelxHoly + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Pedrof1990 : Judging the class potential just by looking at %s is a huge mistake. As an example, Shadower's Boomerang Step is by far stronger than Night Lord's Triple Throw. Do Shadowers do more damage than Night Lords? No. [/quote] Good point. Although, your scenario is a little funny. Triple throw and lucky seven use a luk-based formula, which makes it stronger by far. Evan and bishops both use the same formula, just changing the numbers for their skills. @Above - He said "stronger". I ASSUME he means damager per hit, but he has to confirm it. I don't think any ATTACKING skill besides dark fog has a cooldown. They have a booster, like mages, except theirs is 1 spell speed faster.

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TheLostPuppy 03/30/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Pedrof1990 : Exactly! Attack speed plays of the most important roles, with %s and we don't know anything about Evan's attacking speed, and the cooldowns of their skills [/quote] now lets force nexon to make shadowers atk's as fast as a NL's xD

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Pedrof1990 03/30/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] AngelxHoly : Good point. Although, your scenario is a little funny. Triple throw and lucky seven use a luk-based formula, which makes it stronger by far. Evan and bishops both use the same formula, just changing the numbers for their skills. @Above - He said "stronger". I ASSUME he means damager per hit, but he has to confirm it. I don't think any ATTACKING skill besides dark fog has a cooldown. They have a booster, like mages, except theirs is 1 spell speed faster. [/quote] All that makes no difference, We all know NLs are stornger than Shadowers on 1x1, because we have experienced it in and outside the game Everything about Evans, Dual Bladers, Triple Bladers and whatever is not in GMS is just assuming, thats my point. [quote] TheLostPuppy : now lets force nexon to make shadowers atk's as fast as a NL's xD [/quote] We will, if this 'balance patch' arrives.

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AngelxHoly 03/30/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Pedrof1990 : All that makes no difference, We all know NLs are stornger than Shadowers on 1x1, because we have experienced it in and outside the game Everything about Evans, Dual Bladers, Triple Bladers and whatever is not in GMS is just assuming, thats my point. [/quote] Okay. Good arguements, dear sir. :D Lol @ Triple Bladers. I can only imagine...

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[quote] Pedrof1990 : Judging the class potential just by looking at %s is a huge mistake. As an example, Shadower's Boomerang Step is by far stronger than Night Lord's Triple Throw. Do Shadowers do more damage than Night Lords? No. [/quote] Actually, I partially agree with Angelxholy. You can't compare shadowers with nightlords on the basis of them using different equipment. Shield + dagger (and extraneous str stat in some cases) vs. stars and claws are a tough comparison. Not only that, but they have completely different damage formulas because of the different weapons. For example, you can easily compare heroes and paladins' dps (assuming both are sword) on the basis that they both use the exact same equipment. Same deal with evans; they use the exact same equipment as regular mages. Where the difference is the extra stat boosts and equipment that evans might get, which don't really make a huge difference at all.

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gtbROX 03/30/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

"Stronger" in and of itself is incredibly subjective and can change as you move from one point of view to another. ~Some people will judge strength by base att, in which case the evan would win. ~Some people will judge strength by overall dpm, in which case you could be comparing both their soloing moves or their mobbing moves (ultimates). Evans would be stronger soloing, but bishops would be better mobbing with ultimate. In terms of smaller mobs, I've heard people say clerics are better because heal/SR cast faster, but I've heard others say evans are better simply because they do higher damage. ~Some people will judge a mage's strength completely on its ultimate. In this case, bishops will win hands down. In the time an evan has to wait (20 sec) just to attack again a bishop could have done around 7 or 8 genesis'.

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