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thread starter wheremyhoat Mar 21 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

HI! I absolutely no idea someone gimme midol.

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ImALowStr 03/21/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Thorns Effect Dual Blade -35% chance of performing a critical attack, Skill damage 250% ex) Upper Stab�s damage without crit is 245%, but with crit it is 495% Magician -35% chance of performing a critical attack, damage multiplied by 2.24 ex) Genesis�s damage without crit is 99999, but with crit you can make it to 199999 Thorns Effect will not work on classes who have a critical skill (Night Lord and Archer) Thorns Effect will work on classes who don�t have a critical skill (Captain, Shadower, Hero, Paladin and Dark Knight) -35% chance of performing a critical attack, Skill damage 125% Viper - Thorns Effect will only work when you attack stunned enemies Aran - Thorns Effect will only work when you�re gaining combos Evan - Can be affected by Thorns Effect i think this is easier to read if its the same (taken from spawdows blog)

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azimuth457 03/21/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Can you explain "Double Critical"?

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AltairHawk 03/21/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I highly doubt that it is indeed +250% damage...... That is simply insane...... And from what I have seen in videos, the extra Critical Rate is lower than +35%.... This is a good idea, but I still want to see concrete evidence that the description is exactly as it says.....

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wheremyhoat 03/21/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] azimuth457 : Can you explain "Double Critical"? [/quote] Double critical, I think, is referring to a SE critical+Thorns critical, so 1.4x from SE plus the 250% from thorns. Classes that already have a critical like bowmen would just be there normal critical damage * SE (like a 340% arrow from strafe) +250% thorns crit(590% strafe arrow) Hope that helped :O

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Kalovale + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

It is not yet conclusive, anyone who's gotten closest to the correct mechanics would be Spadow (first reply). I posted that post on Ellinforest to gather more evidence, so it's assumable that those results are not yet final. About double Critical, it seems only Evan and Aran and Dual Blade currently have stackable innate crit. Everyone else who wants double critical would need an Adventurer Ring.

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azimuth457 03/21/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Thanks for the explanation. I think I understand. I'm happy that it works for Buccs and Arans though, I also plan to make an Evan and DB, and I'll get a ring for my Corsair, and then I'll be set!

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dragonice1 03/21/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I thought it went somewhere along the lines of this. If you have no critical, you get a HUGE boost in critical rate and damage. If you have critical, you get a much weaker boost. As I heard somewhere, its weaker then sharp eyes. I'm not sure of any of this though. I'm gonna wait until they come out to see.

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danju777 03/22/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Adventurer ring ? So i can get some ring and give my DrK Crit ?

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yugopride 03/22/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

What would happen if you stacked SE, thorns, and adventurer ring? Would you add the %'s (15+35+10=60 which would give warriors crazy power) and add the % damages too?

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NLNoFearNL 03/22/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ImALowStr : Thorns Effect Dual Blade -35% chance of performing a critical attack, Skill damage 250% ex) Upper Stab�s damage without crit is 245%, but with crit it is 495% Magician -35% chance of performing a critical attack, damage multiplied by 2.24 ex) Genesis�s damage without crit is 99999, but with crit you can make it to 199999 Thorns Effect will not work on classes who have a critical skill (Night Lord and Archer) Thorns Effect will work on classes who don�t have a critical skill (Captain, Shadower, Hero, Paladin and Dark Knight) -35% chance of performing a critical attack, Skill damage 125% Viper - Thorns Effect will only work when you attack stunned enemies Aran - Thorns Effect will only work when you�re gaining combos Evan - Can be affected by Thorns Effect i think this is easier to read if its the same (taken from spawdows blog) [/quote] I can hit more than 99 999...

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dwabado 03/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] NLNoFearNL : I can hit more than 99 999... [/quote] He's only using that damage to explain thorns easier and for easier calculations

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10734 03/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] NLNoFearNL : I can hit more than 99 999... [/quote] He didn't say bishop's max damage was 99999, he just used an example. anyway, how much % rate and % damage is it for arans?

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boredom 03/28/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] 10734 : He didn't say bishop's max damage was 99999, he just used an example. anyway, how much % rate and % damage is it for arans? [/quote] for arans it depends on their combo count like, 10 combos = 6% critical rate +10% damage, 20 combos = 12% critical rate +20% and so on..

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