Black and Dark Crystals. What the hell do these things do?

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thread starter Kevvl Mar 10 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

So after months of procrastinating, preparing, and slacking, I'm finally making a Reverse set for my wife and I. Wanting to surprise her with a completed set before the end of today, I decided to mass-buy the items necessary, and a couple FM scans and 750 mil later, I've got everything I need for all the reverse gear she can wear, except I have a dilemma. I came across a shop with Black Crystals next to one with Dark Crystals. Both gems claim to do the same thing, and my alliance is giving me contradictory answers. The Maker-Guide isn't really that helpful when it comes to this particular point, that thing doesn't even explain Stims (Which I understand). Here are the responses I've gotten so far. 1)Black Crystals randomize stats like a Chaos Scroll, adding or subtracting 3 points on each stat when Advanced. Dark Crystals do the same, but are more powerful, randomizing 5 points on each stat. 2)Black Crystals randomize all stats aside from Str/Dex/INT/Luck, Dark Crystals randomize Str/Dex/INT/Luck. 3)Black Crystals randomize all stats aside from Attack/Str/Dex/INT/Luck, Dark Crystals randomize those stats. I'm kinda hoping it's 1 or 2, considering that would cut the cost of this endeavor by about 50 or 90 mil per weapon, respectively. Now if you don't mind, I'mma go clear the reports. Make sure to post before you get banned! ♥

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1CrazyCleric 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Dark's randomize stats such as Str/Dex/Int/Luk, black crystals do the rest such as attack.

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cluo40 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

First poster is correct Dark = str/dex/int/luk black = atk/matk each gives 3 stats + or - like a chaos (assuming you are talking about advanced) GL surprising ur wifey and i hope she doesnt use basil :3 edit: or was it +/- 5 stat? i forgot :3 sry 1 more thing. Because of the factor of the - part of the crystals, i recommend using a stimulator. The stim ensures that your weapon/equip will come out at least avg if not above avg, taking away the - part of the crystals. However, this also adds in a 10% explosion factor... ur choice. i would usually take the risk

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pandatommy + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Basic black crystal, Inter black crystal, Adv black crystal affect anything that doesn't contribute to Ability i.e. Str/Dex/Int/Luk and based on how strong the refined crystal is, the more it can fluctuate. Basics will chaos -1 or +1, Inter will chaos +/- 1-2 Advanced will chaos +/- 1-3 Now, dark crystals, the ones you need to get your third job advancement, will effect your Ability Stats. Basic black = +/- 2 stats; Inter = +/- 3 stats; Advanced = +/- 5 stats. Hope this helped <3 P.S. However, be aware that makered black crystals can also alter the stats of weapon defence (Cravens) or accuracy/avoidability (Nisrocks) so you must always remember that sometimes your attack/m.attack will not be effected.

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Mythicknight 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Black Crystals affect W.Att and M. Att whereas Dark Crystals affect stats such as STR/DEX/INT/LUCK Black Crystals can randomize up to 3 or -3 stats Dark Crystals can randomize up to +5 or -5 Stats

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Kevvl 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] cluo40 : First poster is correct Dark = str/dex/int/luk black = atk/matk each gives 3 stats + or - like a chaos (assuming you are talking about advanced) GL surprising ur wifey and i hope she doesnt use basil :3 [/quote] She's out anyway, so no need to worry about that. Alright, assuming you're both correct, then correct me here: Stimulators help to prevent stat randomization from going below average, correct or way off?

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DivineKYO 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] pandatommy : Basic black crystal, Inter black crystal, Adv black crystal affect anything that doesn't contribute to Ability i.e. Str/Dex/Int/Luk and based on how strong the refined crystal is, the more it can fluctuate. Basics will chaos -1 or +1, Inter will chaos +/- 1-2 Advanced will chaos +/- 1-3 Now, dark crystals, the ones you need to get your third job advancement, will effect your Ability Stats. Basic black = +/- 2 stats; Inter = +/- 3 stats; Advanced = +/- 5 stats. Hope this helped <3 [/quote] So it would add to avoid if you added an avoid crystal (black crystal)?

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Takeback3r 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Kevvl : She's out anyway, so no need to worry about that. Alright, assuming you're both correct, then correct me here: Stimulators help to prevent stat randomization from going below average, correct or way off? [/quote] Correct.

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iFIew 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Black Crystal, +/- Random, (1, 2, 3) (Atk, M. Atk, Speed, or Jump) Dark Crystal, +/- Random, (2, 3, 5) (Str, Dex, Int, Luk, Accuracy, or Avoid) http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/1169109/0/Alalmes_Guide_to_the_Maker_Skill.html# It was right above this thread.

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uchiadude 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

You're a nice BF...is she using you or do you guys know eachother IRL? I hope the 2nd one is the answer. OT: First poster wins.

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cluo40 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

yes i guess my edit covers what u were typing :P Stims USUALLY will take out the negative part of the dark/black crystals (i say usually because even though i used a stim, my neos top once still came out 1 dex short... strange) also, this adds in a 10% failure rate where ur weapon basically blows up but its usually a risk most ppl are willing to take because it can help with the stats a LOT

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Kevvl + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

^90% success rate reduced by Hands by a theorized factor equivalent to the Luck formula, making it essentially have a floor of 95% success rate, if I recall. Though I could be wrong there too, I don't know if it's been confirmed. [quote] iFIew : Black Crystal, +/- Random, (1, 2, 3) (Atk, M. Atk, Speed, or Jump) Dark Crystal, +/- Random, (2, 3, 5) (Str, Dex, Int, Luk, Accuracy, or Avoid) http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/1169109/0/Alalmes_Guide_to_the_Maker_Skill.html# It was right above this thread. [/quote] Yes, I read that and did not find the information regarding Black Crystals, Dark Crystals, or Stimulators credible or complete enough. Did you read my entire OP? [quote] uchiadude : You're a nice BF...is she using you or do you guys know eachother IRL? I hope the 2nd one is the answer. OT: First poster wins. [/quote] We're not dating, just really good friends, though I do know her and initially met her in real life.

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pandatommy + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] DivineKYO : So it would add to avoid if you added an avoid crystal (black crystal)? [/quote] Yes, sir. If you use a makered Opal (Avoid), and you hit it with a black, you can get, (Let's assume that they are both advanced, and you are using a stimulator) +3 avoid from Opal and either +/- 3 avoid from the black makered. Which can either give you a total of +6 avoid or +0 avoid, + average or above thanks to the stimulator assuming it doesn't boom due to the 10% chance EDIT: I made a reverse 1h sword and I was so upset with it because i used : 1 stimulator, 1 adv diamond, 1 adv black, 1 adv strength. THE BLACK CANCELED OUT MY DIAMOND T-T! It came out 2 above attack and +5 str from the stim and str crystal...

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carvo101010 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Nice job using your sheriff status to threaten us to give you answers im scared But ive only makered a top, bottom, and shoes so far trying each with an intermediate black crystal and a basic crystal (+2stat) Top was 4Stat ave, turned out 6 stat and black crystal survived bottom was 6stat ave, turned out 6 stat and black crystal still survived shoe was 4stat ave, turned out 6 stat and black crystal died so im not sure if adding it did anything to the stats

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Kevvl 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] carvo101010 : Nice job using your sheriff status to threaten us to give you answers im scared [/quote] Nah, mostly joking. I just meant that there was gonna be some mass banning because the reports are full.

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