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thread starter MorbidMagus Mar 10 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

With the Evan release date very close, people of course are Bawwwwwwing about Archmages being replaced even more then they did before. Frankly, you consider Evans the Buccaneer of the Magic classes, they have lower attack power then Archmages, but in return they have very useful party skills. Evan's cannot match the dps of Archmages, Mobbing or 1v1. Here is calculations done by a very respectable poster of both BasilMarket and SP, Chilly. [quote] Chilly : Well, I tipped my hand in the third Legendary Class thread that I was approaching clear and conclusive evidence that Evans not only have a negligibly higher amount of DPS/DPM but that they may actually have a lower DPS than their A/M more specifically F/P counterparts. I had pondered making the exact same thread to disseminate my findings but was waiting for a dedicated Evan forum to do so, however you made the thread and requested the information so Evan-lovers everywhere, get ready to rip apart my work to prove me wrong, please, I really hope I'm wrong somewhere here. I'll start off by using Russt's calculations for the Magical DPS as posted in a different thread. Quote Originally Posted by Russt View Post Paralyze: 240 BA, 0.8 sec, S element (1.25x) Chain Lightning: 210 BA, 0.78 sec, L element (1.25x) AM Amp: 1.50x damage 60% mastery (1.54x weighted modifier, or 'W') Blaze: 330 BA, 1.32 sec, F element (1.25x) Illusion: 520 BA, 2.01 sec, no element Critical Magic: 30% chance of 1.5x damage (1.15x) Evan Amp: 1.35x damage Dragon Fury: 1.1x damage Magic Mastery: 90% mastery (1.81x weighted modifier, or 'W') Magic DPS formula, with constant factors removed: (W + M*0.002) * BA / time * modifiers Paralyze: (1.54 + M*0.002) * 240 / 0.8 * 1.25 * 1.5 = 866.25 + 1.125M Chain Lightning: (1.54 + M*0.002) * 210 / 0.78 * 1.25 * 1.5 = 757.97 + 0.984M Blaze: (1.81 + M*0.002) * 330 / 1.32 * 1.25 * 1.15 * 1.35 * 1.1 = 965.95 + 1.067M Illusion: (1.81 + M*0.002) * 520 / 2.01 * 1.15 * 1.35 * 1.1 = 799.67 + 0.884M In general: Blaze >~ Paralyze > Chain Lightning >~ Illusion However, this shifts slightly when magic attack is changed. In particular, Paralyze becomes stronger than Blaze if M is greater than approximately 1720, and Chain Lightning becomes stronger than Blaze if M is greater than approximately 2510. Illusion becomes stronger than Chain Lightning if M is less than approximately 420. Also note that the +35 magic attack from Evan passives is not taken into account. This could produce a 3-6% difference for the Evan's advantage. I'll adjust the speeds in the calculations for Boostered values, keep in mind that I don't actually have actual data for Evan's level 3 Booster so I will have to estimate those values, however suffice it to say the values will be a little bit on the generous (faster) side. I used the I/L's TS (at base speed 1.32) for Blaze and the F/P's Slow (8) Explosion (at base speed 1.92) for Illusion for basic trending on how the Evan's skills at similar base speed might be Boostered. As you can

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DoubleEdge90 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Sure they will, they have all the elements.

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MorbidMagus + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] DoubleEdge90 : Sure they will, they have all the elements. [/quote] The only decent one being Fire. Either way, they can't compare with Archmage training speed, or mobbing or 1v1 dps. Its not like anyone wants Mages due to the fact a boss is weak to an Element anyways.

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hallrock 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

@above: I think they will train just as fast as archmages. They have that wheel skill (can't remember what it's called) that is very strong and faster than an am's ultimates. I don't think they will replace archmages though.

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carvo101010 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

sadly, this will do nothing to stop the massive onslaught of threads containing "OMg, Ev@Nz pwNB us aLlZOrz!111!1111!" Good try though.

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MorbidMagus + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] hallrock : @above: I think they will train just as fast as archmages. They have that wheel skill (can't remember what it's called) that is very strong and faster than an am's ultimates. I don't think they will replace archmages though. [/quote] Thats just lol. Flame Wheel doesn't even compare with Ultimate casting, especially when its about the same speed, has an AoE, can hit 15 monsters, at MUCH more power. @above, Yes, sadly it wont, but now we'll have some facts getting out there.

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Gawdly 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

That sucks Shawn I guess this means you wont be maining an Evan?

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MorbidMagus 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Of course I'm maining one. It has dragons, is an Offensive mage with support skills, funner playing style then Archmages, and its Magical. I'm sold. MTS'd My Aran crap for an Elewand 5. f3

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Resolved 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I dunno. At the moment, Evans just don't appeal to me. xP

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xbinskix 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

People need to stop freaking out over a new maplestory child game pixel class. It won't ruin anything, chill the.... out

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Jacobienight 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

OMg, Ev@Nz pwNB us aLlZOrz!111!1111!

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MorbidMagus 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Jacobienight : OMg, Ev@Nz pwNB us aLlZOrz!111!1111! [/quote] omG iTz so tru!@@!@@!21`1!

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EtherXFayt 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I just think evans just produce another play type for people who are bored with the current maplestory. Ha, if anything I think Blaze Wizards will be replaced even though theres a small amount of them.

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MorbidMagus 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] EtherXFayt : I just think evans just produce another play type for people who are bored with the current maplestory. Ha, if anything I think Blaze Wizards will be replaced even though theres a small amount of them. [/quote] Of course, more classes to choose from means more playing styles, which means more players are satisfied, which means more customers. It defiantly stopped me from quiting :3

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xKimyAran 03/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Oh well, is there anyone who is really going to bother over some small more damages? As soon as I started hitting 1ks on my Aran I felt accomplished; there's no monster that requires 5000 damage instead of 4500 and if you do 4500 you fail and should go kill yourself. That would be stupid. So yeah, even if they ended up doing lower damages, they're still cool (:

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