| http://www.studytoanswer.net/myths_ch7.html Sorry for the one-link thread, just found this to be interesting. If there are any Muslims out there reading this, tell me what you think of it. |
 | So your telling me a couple of unpeaceful Muslim's make the rest of us violent animals as well>? We can say the same about Christians and the KKK. |
| They're just waiting for the right moment to attack and say " All your base are belongs to us! Ah ha ha ha... " |
| [quote] abu210 : So your telling me a couple of unpeaceful Muslim's make the rest of us violent animals as well>? We can say the same about Christians and the KKK. [/quote] I'm questioning the whole of Qu'ran (Koran) as a valid method of teaching and justifying violence. Besides, read the whole thing and tell me if you think their findings are false or obscured. See this link for more concurring evidence. A simple Google search brings up about a million results. |
| Islam is an overall peaceful religion from what I understand. It's only when you read a warped version of the Quran that's violent that corrupts extremists. |
| *sigh.* I wondered how long it would be before there was yet another thread on this issue. Why DO basilers insist on making these kinds of religion-related threads? Its a gaming website. On Topic: That aside, yes Islam has an issue with extremists hijacking and subverting it. The moderates need to do more to stand up to the extremists within their midst. Until the moderates stop complaining about "islamophobia" and stand up to their fellow extremist muslims, anti-muslim sentiment will sadly continue to rise. |
| Muslims are ordered by God to �slay [the enemy] wherever you find them. (4:89) "Warfare is an awesome evil" (2:217) "Kill them wherever you catch them. . . " (2:191), ". . . But if they turn away, seize them and kill them wherever you find them. (In any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks." (4:89) Qur'an (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". Qur'an (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." Qur'an (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." Qur'an (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah�" Qur'an (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" Qur'an (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain... Qur'an (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember." Qur'an (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." Qur'an (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..." |
| I don't think that first link is very reliable. From what I read, it seems very biased. |
| You get crazy people regardless of religion. Look at the bible., religious texts are highly complex and can very easily be misinterpreted. Either way, I'm neutral on this issue because this thread might offend the Muslims out there. |
| [quote] MrMojoRisin : I don't think that first link is very reliable. From what I read, it seems very biased. [/quote] End Notes [quote] Link : (1) - Al-Tabari, Jami' al-bayan 'an ta'wil ay al-Qur'an, commenting on 9:5 (2) - Al-Mahalli, Tafsir al-Jalalayn , commenting on 9:5 (3) - Al-Baidawi, Asrar ut-tanzil wa Asrar ut-ta'wil, commenting on 9:29 (4) - Ibn Khaldun, Al-Muqaddimah, trans. F. Rosenthal, abrg. and ed. N.J. Dawood, Bk. 1, Ch. 3.31, p. 183 (5) - Ibn Kathir, Tafsir al-Qur'an al-Azim, commenting on 9:5 (6) - Ibn Hazm, Al-Fisal fi al-Milal wa al-Nihal, Vol. 8, commenting on 2:256 (7) - Muwatta of Malik, Bk. 45, Sect.5, No. 18, where Mohammed is reported to have said this, and then turned out the Jews of Khaybar and forced them to emigrate, see also Sahih Muslim, Bk. 19, No. 4366 (8) - Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani, La Risala: Epitre sur les elements du dogme et de la loi d'Islam selon le rite malikite, Trans. Ed. L. Bercher, p. 165 (9) - Al-Mawardi, Al-ahkam as-Sultaniyyah, p.60 (10) - Al-Hidayah, Vol. 2, p. 140 (11) - R. Peters, Jihad in Classical and Modern Islam, p. 49 (12) - Al-Ghazzali, Kitab al-Wagiz fi fiqh madhab al-imam al-Safi'i, pp. 186, 190-191 (13) - M.S.R. Al-Buti, The Jurisprudence of the Biography, pp. 323-324 (14) - Ibid., pp. 266-267 (15) - Ibid., pp. 266 (16) - Sahih Bukhari, trans. M.M. Khan, Vol. 1, p. xxvi (17) - S. as-Saleh, Mabaheth Fi 'Ulum al-Qur'an, p. 269, citing As-Suyuti's Itqan fi-ulum al-qur'an (18) - Ibid., note on p. 270 (19) - M. al-Amin, The Methodology of Islamic Law, p. 17 (20) - A. Abdul-Fattah, The Spirit of the Islamic Religion, p. 384 (21) - S. Qutb, Milestones, p. 76 (22) - A.S.A. Usmani, Tafseer e-Usmani: The Noble Qur'an, Vol. 1, p. 811 (23) - Abdul-Fattah, op. cit., p. 382 (24) - B. Tibi, "War and Peace in Islam", The Ethics of War and Peace: Religious and Secular Perspectives, ed. T. Nardin, pp. 129-131 (25) - F. Rahman, Islam, p. 37 (26) - S. Pirzada, Dawatul Qur'an, trans. A.K. Shaikh, Vol. 1, pp. 614-615, commenting on 9:29 (27) - See S.A.A. Maududi, Jihad in Islam, p. 13 (28) - A.S. Nu'mani, Sirat-un-Nabi, trans. M.T.B. Budayani, Vol. 2, p. 280 (29) - Ibid., pp. 281-282 (30) - M.A.M. Daryabadi, Tafsir-ul-Qu'ran, Vol. 2, p. 272 (31) - S.I. Zaheer, Tafsir Ishraq Al-Ma'ani: Being a Quintessence of Qur'anic Commentaries, Vol. 5, p. 147 (32) - Daryabadi, op. cit., pp. 248-249 (33) - Zaheer, op. cit., pp. 90-91 (34) - Usmani, op. cit., p. 867 (35) - Pirzada, op. cit., p. 645 (36) - Usmani, op. cit., p. 837 (37) - M.M.M. Shafi, Ma'ariful Qur'an, Vol. 4, p. 363, commenting on 9:29 (38) - S.A. Ali, Qur'an: The Fundamental Law of Human Life, Vol. 6, p. 539 (39) - S.A.A. Maududi, Meaning of the Qur'an, Vol. 4, p. 186 (40) - A. Jeffrey, "The Political Importance of Islam", Journal of Near Eastern Studies, Vol. 1 (1942), p. 388 (41) - Sahih al-Bukhari Vol. 1, Bk. 2, No. 25 (42) - Sahih al-Bukhari Vol. 1, Bk. 2, No. 35 (43) - Sahih al-Bukhari Vol. 4, Bk. 53, Nos. 369-370 (44) - Sahih al-Bukhari Vol. 4, Bk. |
| None of the religions are peaceful. Stupid stories that only cause wars, nothing else. |
| why don't we ask al-qaeda this question |
| [quote] Satellite : None of the religions are peaceful. Stupid stories that only cause wars, nothing else. [/quote] I guess you are right. Religion causes unnecessary wars and strife. But, not to offend anyone, I think that Christianity is the worst of them all. Look at the Holy War (the Crusades), the Spanish Inquisition, Reconquista, Thirty Years' War, Taiping Rebellion, Protestant Reformation etc. etc. See here . |
| So out of this freaking absolutely huge book you pick out a very select and small group of quotes that makes them seem violent. Right. |
| [quote] Satellite : None of the religions are peaceful. Stupid stories that only cause wars, nothing else. [/quote] I think you should change that comment to none of the mainstream religions are peaceful. I have yet to see a buddhist on the streets calling for people to be beheaded for drawing a cartoon of Buddha. However, when it coems to Islam, Christianity and Judaism there is definately a history of violence in those religions. |
