Dual Bladers The Good and The Badand the Ugly o.0

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thread starter shadowsvenom Mar 04 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I have watched videos and kept up with bloggers posting info about Db's(love the class) alot of people say there overpowered pish posh f3 lol maybeh im biased f3 THese are the pro's and cons i have come up with let me kno if i need ot add and or take out anything This class is very intersting and will help out in alot of ways especially with thorns <3 PRO's: - Atk Versatility - Thorns(stacks with se) - Sudden reid(an ultimate like mages)... No delay o.0 Also poisons if u have venom - Very mobile have fj o.0 self haste(lol) gwuahaha - easy to train from 0-200 one of the easiest non mage classes to train i think - insane dmg - invinciblity frames not bloody storm no more f3 - Limited time only some think this is a con but its a pro 2 meh because Db's will be demanded for boss runs because thorns stacks with se plus if alot arent around low supply high demand you ll make friends easier o.0 .... if u catch my drift - Mirror image(similar to Shadowpartner) Since released in kmst it was upgraded 50%->60% o.0 - Stack effect(similar to Bowmans puppet) ur mirror image will stop attkin and start takin dmg - Excellent mobbers - Final Cut 100 sec cool down but doubles there atk for 60secs which means you ll have doubt atk for 60% of the time not to mention thorns plus atk pots.... CONs: - very low hp for a melee class - not alot of defensive skills besides stack effect - lower avvoidability then Nl's and Shadowers - NO alchemy >_> - ALot of there skills leave u open for touch dmg - i hear there 1v1 isnt as good compared to alot of other classes - survivability is quesitonable at bosses(still checkin into that) - LTO(Limited time only u may miss out on makin one....) - If you use Final Cut, your HP will decrease by a certain % NOt sure how much atm(info from spadow.wordpress.com) VENo<3 Btw Lookin on shadows Blog 2day i noticed that his Db was at lvl 130 his hp was 4.2k.... Decent ammount wut u think?

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icewr 03/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

a lot of skills has been nerfed, Sudden Raid has been added cool down i believe.

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ScrapBrain 03/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] icewr : a lot of skills has been nerfed, Sudden Raid has been added cool down i believe. [/quote] Final Cut has a cool down not Sudden Raid.

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Sn1per + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Spadow is most likely either blood building or hp washing possibly. Also, basically NO skills were nerfed. in fact, some were buffed more. Some delays wwere also adjusted.

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johny2toes + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Bloody Storm's delay time was increased, but then decreased again... I'm pretty sure now it's back to normal but the invincibility frames are either gone or much less. 'nerfing' that has been done have been attack and mp requirement increases, that's about all... 'Cept Final Cut was given a 100 second delay, but it's power was raised. As for their HP, they have higher HP then Bandits. A lv 30 Bandit has about 1100 HP more or less. A lv 30 Dual Blade has about 1500 more or less... But around 30s lv ranges... it's about 400 HP difference.

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mapleck 03/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

They also get hp bonus from their blades :/

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Sn1per 03/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] mapleck : They also get hp bonus from their blades :/ [/quote] Not much of one, but its still useful for them. I can see people opting to use HP gems when makering a Blade.

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johny2toes 03/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Why did you put ":/"? They NEED more HP then Sins/dits... Dits have Meso Guard to protect their HP, Dual Bladers have nothing.

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EternalWind 03/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Their main 1v1 skill is a 24 hit(with the shadow partner thing, without is 12 hit), a total of 2400% without including other skill buffs! Talk about overpower. It's insane as it outdamaged corsair's cannon by far, cannon= 380%x4 = 1520% Why should we even bother to make any other character when you get the BEST 1v1, the BEST ultimate, the BEST critical buff all in one character? Low hp isn't even a problem as "some people" have wash their NL/BM to 15k hp base

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shadowsvenom 03/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I thought his hp was pretty high for his lvl considering people say there hp sucks(which its still low for melee class) o.0 higher than my NL's and hes 151 o.0 but uhh i agree wit ya johnny2toes(where did the rest of them go o.0) lol and i didnt kno bloody storm delayed time got fixed after they actually gave it delay time @icewr - Sudden Reid was not nerfed its mp cost jus went up still spammable o.0 @sn1per -That be koo if he didnt hp wash o.0

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zetasniper 03/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

wat did u mean by low supply high demand? EVERYBODY'S going to make a db wen it comes out. just like arans i remember teh first 2 weeks aran came out. EVERYBODY was an aran. it was so scary i quit mine. =/

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shadowsvenom 03/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] zetasniper : wat did u mean by low supply high demand? EVERYBODY'S going to make a db wen it comes out. just like arans i remember teh first 2 weeks aran came out. EVERYBODY was an aran. it was so scary i quit mine. =/ [/quote] I ment that since there only gonna be out for a limited time that compared to alot of other classes there wont be as much.. alot of people may miss out on makin one for instance for every 15Nl's theres like 1BM (speaking from being a Broan..Broa Ftw!) so i was thinkin that there might not be alot of high lvl DB's around so mayb because of that when people c one they wanna help it lvl up..... yo they can use it for there benefit which technically is your benefit o.0 Jus a thought

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johny2toes 03/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Every good thing comes to a cost... Look at when pirates came out people looked at Demo's percent dmg and were like "OMFG END OF NLS" turned out to be a slow skill, and Buccs ended up with the worst DPM in the entire game.. only above Beginners. DB's problem is this, they have VERY LOW ATTACK RANGES... A DB will never have above ~10000 damage range, even with godly equips... maybe near perfect it's possible but... ughh... How it works is, they have 2 ranges... a Blade range (Very low since Blade's have slightly lower att then claws), and their dagger range. When they attack their moves go in order dagger > blade > dagger > blade > dagger. Meaning even at 24 hits of Chains of Hell... only half of those are even strong... the rest are basically the same as NLs hits without crits unless Thorns/Ring decides to be nice and give a Blade crit.

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shadowsvenom 03/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] johny2toes : Every good thing comes to a cost... Look at when pirates came out people looked at Demo's percent dmg and were like "OMFG END OF NLS" turned out to be a slow skill, and Buccs ended up with the worst DPM in the entire game.. only above Beginners. DB's problem is this, they have VERY LOW ATTACK RANGES... A DB will never have above ~10000 damage range, even with godly equips... maybe near perfect it's possible but... ughh... How it works is, they have 2 ranges... a Blade range (Very low since Blade's have slightly lower att then claws), and their dagger range. When they attack their moves go in order dagger > blade > dagger > blade > dagger. Meaning even at 24 hits of Chains of Hell... only half of those are even strong... the rest are basically the same as NLs hits without crits unless Thorns/Ring decides to be nice and give a Blade crit. [/quote] Looks like someone has been doing there homewrk o.0 but once again i have 2 agree Wut i have learned playin games when its come to classes that induce many hits on a target those hits arent usually super strong thats why we alternate from strong hit to weak hit and of course those numbers add up...however i think the thing that attracts players to dual bladers is that they do so many atks and all u see is numbers fly all over the place o.0 and that there so flashy and lil over the top o.0(enough to grab your attention)...There one of those classes when u c them atk ur thinkin "Do they really have to do all that o.0" ANd there atk ranges are low along with there hp ANd there avvoidability compared to other theif classes...techincally there avvoidability is still good o.0 @ EternalWind - THey dont have the best dpm as i've previously stated - i Think there ultimate is around the same as mages cept no delay - THey dont neccessarily have the best critical buff i think thorns helped fill the gap of se because se affected Nl's ANd BM's th emost wear as other classes it helped...it jus didnt do wonders o.0 liek it does for nl's bm's and arans o.0 however with thorns mages and warriors and pirates really get a nice edge so liek i said with se and thorns u cover all the bases SE took u 2 first and second base... w/ Thorns your goin all the way home o.0

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iamfull 03/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I think that the worst thing about Dual Blades is that they have -Low HP -Most of their attacks require them to move in a direction (Fighting a boss like Zakum would not be good for them) -They dont really have much to defend their HP (Puppet like summon can only do so much) Other than that, the class looks like it is pretty strong. O.O

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