How to stop worrying about dualbladers

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thread starter Demon892 Feb 28 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Make your own and stop saying you are gonna get ksed, you will be on same level field as all the other dual bladers and everyone can make theirs the same day. No one has a head start now stop your whining kthx.

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LordMichael 02/28/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

The reason people are upset. is cause people have made and worked VERY hard on there other characters (especially early adventurers, before it got so easy to level) and now suddenly they start releasing classes that can get better then them with less work. cygnus wasn't that bad causae it capped at 120. aran is kinda bad but not too serious... But now dual blader is just what the hell man. It's like everyone's hard work before is pointless. Also no body wants to be the same class running around every. it's boring

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mapleck 02/28/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

And evan, wdf? dragons?

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johny2toes 02/28/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Lol Evans suck.. Dual Bladers are an all around class... They hold perfect elements for everything. Mobbing, ultimates, bossing even. but think about it, they only have 3 months, and I'd bet a good chance once the option to make one disappears the skill books and stuff also are gone... so really there will be very few high lv DBs with good skills... unless Nexon keeps the equips and everything able to get which wouldn't make much sense to remove the class but keep the data for making / getting equips and mastery books.

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orangeking11 02/28/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Lol DBs suck.. They train fast, but their bossing potential seems on-par with Bucs. Somewhat big numbers with delays and lengthy animations. Yeah, because the top DPM classes work like that. /sarcasm xD

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Demon892 02/28/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I went through all the hells you guys are talking about lol IMO bucc's are the hardest class to level since marauders... never really get anything, this was before gallops were out... so yea I would still be happy with a fun new class, I am making a BM atm started last week its level 82 I have 137 aran 128 bucc 120 dawn 74 hermit 82 white knight, and more I have played across the board and I do not care that I would have 2 start over to play a fun class just stop complaining, if you don't want new stuff have a nice P izza S lice and stop whining because they never change, always the same toppings

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shadowsvenom 02/28/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

DBs r gonna own i think nexon did a good thing by implementing this new class in maple and of course like any knew class there gonna get ridiculed with the same ur overpowered crap... like all new classes and alot of the old ones ie nightlords....bu ti agree with the thread its not like its gonna be hard to lvl the clas sjus make one theres gonna be all kinda of events goin on to make it easier then wut it alredy is

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johny2toes + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] orangeking11 : Lol DBs suck.. They train fast, but their bossing potential seems on-par with Bucs. Somewhat big numbers with delays and lengthy animations. Yeah, because the top DPM classes work like that. /sarcasm xD [/quote] Takes about 2 seconds for one cast of Chains of Hell Normal without Mirrors is 12 hits at 250% That's a total of 4800% with Mirrors applied (Extra 12 hits at 60%) A NL can throw 4 Triple Throws about in the amount of time it takes for a DB to do 1 Chain of Hell. 2700% with 4 throws with Shadow Partner. (Both of these without accounting a NLs 50% crit rate, or a DBs 35% crit rate from Thorns) From looking at base numbers, Dual Bladers obviously out damage NLs at bossing. Really till the ranges and everything are figured out for Dual Bladers, you can't say anything about their bossing capability. They could out dmg NLs at bosses. Thorns = 35% crit rate for them (NLs would only get about half the effect of Thorns since they have natural crit rate) SE = +15% crit for both. Adventurer rings = +20 crit rate for both. Okay 85% crit for an NL without Thorns (I'm unsure specificly what their crit boost would be with Thorns but I think with would be 95%) a DB would have 70% crit rate. Either way, I see both NLs and DBs being pretty even with eachother in DPM on bosses.

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MasherBasher 03/02/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Why is it whenever a new class is about to come out everybody seems to think the apocalypse is coming and the new will class will ruin maple...actually that's how it is with 90% of the content we get.

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orangeking11 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] johny2toes : Takes about 2 seconds for one cast of Chains of Hell Normal without Mirrors is 12 hits at 250% That's a total of 4800% with Mirrors applied (Extra 12 hits at 60%) A NL can throw 4 Triple Throws about in the amount of time it takes for a DB to do 1 Chain of Hell. 2700% with 4 throws with Shadow Partner. (Both of these without accounting a NLs 50% crit rate, or a DBs 35% crit rate from Thorns) From looking at base numbers, Dual Bladers obviously out damage NLs at bossing. Really till the ranges and everything are figured out for Dual Bladers, you can't say anything about their bossing capability. They could out dmg NLs at bosses. Thorns = 35% crit rate for them (NLs would only get about half the effect of Thorns since they have natural crit rate) SE = +15% crit for both. Adventurer rings = +20 crit rate for both. Okay 85% crit for an NL without Thorns (I'm unsure specificly what their crit boost would be with Thorns but I think with would be 95%) a DB would have 70% crit rate. Either way, I see both NLs and DBs being pretty even with eachother in DPM on bosses. [/quote] Yep, learned a bit more on them since then. Very impressive indeed. xD But now I feel very bad for Bucs since unless they're gonna get some major boosting, their already pretty low DPM is gonna feel a lot further behind compared to ranged classes with Passive+Crit. Rings+SE+Thorns. xD I was never a big damage guy on my NL, but I think DBs will be my chance to damage hoar it out. Awesome. xD

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shadowsvenom 03/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ORange u kno u own f3 btw join the guld again o.0 ..... did u get kicked?..... ANd bck to the Thread im makin this class its an all around good class with many pros Such as... PRO's: - Atk Versatility - Thorns(stacks with se) - Sudden reid(an ultimate like mages) - Very mobile have fj o.0 self haste(lol) gwuahaha - easy to train from 0-200 one of the easiest non mage classes to train i think - insane dmg - invinciblity frames not bloody storm no more f3 - Limited time only some think this is a con but its a pro 2 meh because Db's will be demanded for boss runs because thorns stacks with se plus if alot arent around low supply high demand you ll make friends easier o.0 .... if u catch my drift - Mirror image(similar to Shadowpartner) Since released in kmst it was upgraded 50%->60% o.0 - Stack effect(similar to Bowmans puppet) ur mirror image will stop attkin and start takin dmg - Excellent mobbers CONs: - low hp for a melee class - not alot of defensive skills besides stack effect - lower avvoidability then Nl's and Shadowers - NO alchemy >_> - ALot of there skills leave u open for touch dmg - i hear there 1v1 isnt as good compared to alot of other classes - survivability is quesitonable at bosses(still checkin into that) - LTO(Limited time only u may miss out on makin one....) I kno this wasnt asked for o.0 VEno

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orangeking11 03/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Either I got kicked or I quit by accident lol. But either way, I got picked up by another friend's guild and they look like they need my help more than TC does (TC's Online list always looks like a bossing squad. The one I just joined has like as many WKs/Pallies as NLs lol). Maybe I'll rejoin for the 3rd time someday. xD

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Xylit 03/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] johny2toes : Lol Evans suck.. Dual Bladers are an all around class... They hold perfect elements for everything. Mobbing, ultimates, bossing even. but think about it, they only have 3 months, and I'd bet a good chance once the option to make one disappears the skill books and stuff also are gone... so really there will be very few high lv DBs with good skills... unless Nexon keeps the equips and everything able to get which wouldn't make much sense to remove the class but keep the data for making / getting equips and mastery books. [/quote] They're only buffers at bosses, their 1v1 dpm sux big tiem. They also require insane HP wash to be able to perform their 1v1 skill since it requires you to be up close and their 2x damage skill is a skill that moves you into something means casting it at HT or so will kill you They got enough cons to outweigh the pros, if you HP wash to 10+k hp sure you've solved SOME problems but non the less they're still far from the best DPM and only their thorn skill will make them wanted at bosses.

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johny2toes 03/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Xylit : They're only buffers at bosses, their 1v1 dpm sux big tiem. They also require insane HP wash to be able to perform their 1v1 skill since it requires you to be up close and their 2x damage skill is a skill that moves you into something means casting it at HT or so will kill you They got enough cons to outweigh the pros, if you HP wash to 10+k hp sure you've solved SOME problems but non the less they're still far from the best DPM and only their thorn skill will make them wanted at bosses. [/quote] You obviously didn't research everything about them. Advanced Dark Sight supposedly lets them use any attack while remaining IN dark sight. Now how hard would it be to go into Dark Sight, use Final Cut, go out and attack? (btw if you're going to try trashing them at least get their skill names right instead of referring it as '2x damage skill'. Them having to stand close to the monster? how close do you think they have to stand? At Zak they would need to stand the same distance as an Aran (Which is slightly more further back then other warriors). That is plenty of distance, on my Aran I've zak'd tons of times, I've only ever died if I by chance lag'd completely. Twice by rushing. I'm pretty sure I could handle a Dual Blade just fine at Zak. Now, Chains of Hell their best bossing skill. Optimal DPS range would be... Weapon DPS = 1190.48%/S DPS = 95583.33 Chains of Hell is about 2.3 second cast, that's 2,580,750 DPM 5,161,499.82 with Final Cut. That's a completely clean range off a Tespia player. The range on a very well funded player would be much higher. And it's also without Thorns calculated in, and no attack pots. Now how about you go find me the Tespia avg of Triple Throw with SP? When it comes right down to it it's about funding, percentage wise Dual Blade's have much higher % damage. Calculating the range is the hard part because they have 2 seperate attack ranges.

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Bandit777 03/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Very simple way to stop worrying: No matter what, we have over a YEAR until they come out since Evans aren't even coming out until June, after the aran ring event. Why is everyone so freaked out now ... I mean seriously, NOT A BIG DEAL. Half of you people will have either out-leveled any issues a dual blader may bring, quit maple, or found a new game by then. The un-necessary worrys are just that, UN-NECESSARY.

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