Help a Hero-to-be

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thread starter sufian Feb 19 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Well, I've started making my Hero.( I now face the dilemma of choosing a path. I was thinking of going axe, but I've been reading that a sword has 108% damage of a sword. So now that I have (i think) chosen sword, I fall under another dilemma. Do I go 1 handed or 2 handed? I hear 2 handed have a better attacking formula, but mostly 1handed swords are a faster speed. Also 2handed swords have a little more range than 1handed swords. I also happened to read that you don't need an att shield to surpass the DPM of a 2handed counterpart. So I would like to ask the Hero's of Basil a few questions. 1. Is an att shield really required to surpass the dpm of 2handed user? 2. Is the added range on a 2handed noticeable much? 3.is Dexless over rated and would you recommend adding some DEX? it it helps I have roughly 200-300m funding and possibly 30k nx too(for MTS maybe?) edit: 1st paragraph end i ment, swords have 108% damage of AXES

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nog123 02/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] IceyMage123 : You're a bishop o.O Is it really that hard to make 600-700m for a shield? o_o [/quote] That is 60-70 hours of leeching man....

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stoopid 02/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Lust : Oh gosh no... The only people who become hybrid Heroes are axe users who discovered too late the axes stink in 4th job, and decided that it was too hard to restart their character. Nobody soon-to-be-sword user in their right mind would willingly choose to go hybrid x_x. [/quote] what facts are u using to support this sorry...? because u need so many skills out of your third job? u dont need atleast mp recovery or shout which is atleast 50 points, and in 4th job u get brandish which > coma + panic. axe to start with gives u a stronger wep atk seeing as a gold scrolled axe is prob cheaper than a 5x 60% 2h sword

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sufian 02/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] stoopid : what facts are u using to support this sorry...? because u need so many skills out of your third job? u dont need atleast mp recovery or shout which is atleast 50 points, and in 4th job u get brandish which > coma + panic. axe to start with gives u a stronger wep atk seeing as a gold scrolled axe is prob cheaper than a 5x 60% 2h sword [/quote] i will be leeching to 4th job, so 'starting out' equips dnt really matter

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IceyMage123 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] yamiryu : okay most people stated some facts, but some of this is getting clouded by misconception. first of all, people are on the right track saying go with sword because of the stab/slash ratio and brandish. secondly, 1h and 2h is based on what dex you plan on having. you can go dexless which would let you put more into str and go with a 1h+ shield combo. the second option would be to go about 40 dex (which is about 8 attack in the later levels) and go wit ha ST. Now, assuming you're using a fast (5) sword like a executioner or cara, the ST will have a 15% advantage to the sword+ shield combo. Now, a good end game ST would be about 125 atk. this means that to get an equal attack from the 1h + shield combo, you would need to have 144-8(from the dex)= 136 total which is requires an 11 atk shield to have equal attack and an equal weapon. one important factor being left out though is that there is attack outside of your sword/ shield that needs to be taken into account. Apples with 100 atk is the main problem and a 2h user would have a 15% advantage with an apple compared to a 1h which is 15 more attack. to sum things up: -Definitely go with sword -1h+ shield is better clean most of the time -ST is better when you're using an apple (which is pretty frequent when bossing) or if you have a high atk glove/cape/shoe [/quote] I find ST users are/were usually poor people. Also tbh I don't really think apple damage is that big off a difference more like 5% lol o.O Besides some of that extra dex you ST users sacrificed also has to be added in. 40 dex is roughly 400 attack range O_O Except this guy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_2iYRPNgcw

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coalman4444 02/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Rofl at above that was funny Just a good reason to be a dexless using a ST

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yamiryu + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] iceymage123 : I find ST users are/were usually poor people. Also tbh I don't really think apple damage is that big off a difference more like 5% lol o.O Besides some of that extra dex you ST users sacrificed also has to be added in. 40 dex is roughly 400 attack range O_O Except this guy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_2iYRPNgcw [/quote] this is the exact misconceptions I'm talking about. a rebuttal using "I think" and random facts pulled out of the sky because of the "broken telephone" effect. first of all, relating a weapon being used to the wealth of the user is just plain stupid. we're talking about one guy here and HIS choice in weapon, so either choice he makes, he's going to have the same funding. secondly, because of the damage formula, 2h weapons do 15% more damage than their 1h counterparts. This includes ALL attack including from gloves and attack pots like apples, but is usually not included in damage formulas cuz people are lazy. lastly, when i mentioned 8 attack, i did not mean 8 to the damage range, i meant 8 attack as in the stat. at around 120+, when the weapon attack increase stops, and your str is still going up, 5 str (which can be translated into 5 ap including dex) will equal about 1 attack (the higher lved you get, the more ap is needed for 1 atk) and therefore 40 ap is 8 attack which i have already put into my later calculations.

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Ag3ntCupcak3 02/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

2h sword, shield scrolls are super expensive

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xsnowballx 02/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

i use a black pheonix shield 18att 12str + 109att glory sword i used to use everything else same but my sword was a 2hander DS 129att and i hit about the same with my 1h items which means 1h is better cuz of speed its nearly 40% faster than normal speed 2h sword the range yes there is a diff but it doesnt really make a huge diff its like about 5mm from the screan difference dexless all the way u dont need acc when max lvl or high. dont fund with that money just wish and scroll. make like 30luk zhelms and sell for $500 us( lolz or sell for around about 6b) 6b=2b in meso+4b worth in items

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yamiryu 02/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] xsnowballx : i use a black pheonix shield 18att 12str + 109att glory sword i used to use everything else same but my sword was a 2hander DS 129att and i hit about the same with my 1h items which means 1h is better cuz of speed its nearly 40% faster than normal speed 2h sword the range yes there is a diff but it doesnt really make a huge diff its like about 5mm from the screan difference dexless all the way u dont need acc when max lvl or high. dont fund with that money just wish and scroll. make like 30luk zhelms and sell for $500 us( lolz or sell for around about 6b) 6b=2b in meso+4b worth in items [/quote] for each weapon speed, you only add 10% damage so going from a normal(6) speed sword to a fast(5) weapon would only give a 10% DPS (not regular damage) advantage from a faster attack which only becomes really useful in bosses. in general yet again, 2h weapons have a 15% advantage from their damage formula (which is usually balanced out with the attack shield). Also, for heroes there is no range difference between 1h and 2h when using brandish

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SaderSader 02/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Axe gets owned cuz brandish is 1 stab 1 slash 100% of the time, which means you get serious damage reduction 100% of the time. And unless you have an 3pik 1 hand sword, you do need an attack shield to match 2h

KingHippo 02/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Just use swords like everyone else unless you want to suck

IceyMage123 02/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] yamiryu : for each weapon speed, you only add 10% damage so going from a normal(6) speed sword to a fast(5) weapon would only give a 10% DPS (not regular damage) advantage from a faster attack which only becomes really useful in bosses. in general yet again, 2h weapons have a 15% advantage from their damage formula (which is usually balanced out with the attack shield). Also, for heroes there is no range difference between 1h and 2h when using brandish [/quote] I know this has nothing to do with anything but you know there is one huge pro of 2 or 3 1h swords that ST/NRW can't match right? Fast 4. RK's, LB's and Spear/Flairgrave's are all fast 4. I know you're prob gonna pull out some arguments such as "But those are expensive"/"Those are extremely hard to find" well you know what there comes a point in Maplestory where you become rich enough to afford it... I mean I'm selling BF leech atm making so much mesos... there's only so much I can upgrade. Eventually I will get equips such as these (perfectly scrolled RK, Flairgrave (NEo Tokyo not coming so I doubt it <_<)) But yeah I see your point about 2h swords and their much better attack formula bonus than 1h swords ^_^

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xsnowballx 02/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

as a hero with the best shield+sword u are the strongest hero as a hero with the best 2h sword u are not strong as a best shield+sword or else why in the world shield scrolls be expensive? because it is worth it, best damage in boss and everything else compared to heros with 1h+shield to a 2h sword

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IceyMage123 02/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] xsnowballx : as a hero with the best shield+sword u are the strongest hero as a hero with the best 2h sword u are not strong as a best shield+sword or else why in the world shield scrolls be expensive? because it is worth it, best damage in boss and everything else compared to heros with 1h+shield to a 2h sword [/quote] No. They're expensive because they're rare to obtain and more than 1 class use attack shields. Also think about it guys. Who ae the top 3 Heroes you've ever seen? For me it would be VoltesV, VarsityHero and C4PC0M and what setup do they use? Fast 4 + Shield....

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yamiryu + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] IceyMage123 : I know this has nothing to do with anything but you know there is one huge pro of 2 or 3 1h swords that ST/NRW can't match right? Fast 4. RK's, LB's and Spear/Flairgrave's are all fast 4. I know you're prob gonna pull out some arguments such as "But those are expensive"/"Those are extremely hard to find" well you know what there comes a point in Maplestory where you become rich enough to afford it... I mean I'm selling BF leech atm making so much mesos... there's only so much I can upgrade. Eventually I will get equips such as these (perfectly scrolled RK, Flairgrave (NEo Tokyo not coming so I doubt it <_<)) But yeah I see your point about 2h swords and their much better attack formula bonus than 1h swords ^_^ [/quote] no, i won't argue with that one, i only wish to prove the correct facts to the TS, it is true that a nicely scrolled fast (4) 1h will be nice if you can get it. if not, then i'd say go with a ST, especially if you can afford doing it with even less dex than 40. just for those wondering how i know 2h sword do 15% more damage than 1h swords: 1h damage formula: 4* (str * attack) + dex 2h damage formula: 4.6 * (str * attack) + dex 4.6 / 4 = 1.15 or 115% the damage formula is also why the amount of ap that makes up 1 attack is dependent on your str

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