Ne_on Did right this Time

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thread starter executionerz Feb 11 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Ps. Keyboard cant type the letter beside z in the keyboard So Now We Have PIC's rather than the usual PIN's. Ithought we were gonna change the start up for maple but i guess not. These PIC's are actually very helpful since the PIC's are 4 times longer than a pin which is way harder to dicypher. GG Ne_on I dont think Ne_on even needs the whole new start up but hey its their decision. Discuss if the New PIC more helpfull from preventing hackers from getting to ur precious items . Should we still have the NEw Startup?

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matrixphijr 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

This was on another thread I replied to, and I'll just post the whole thing here: [quote] LostABowel : There are 26 letters in the alphabet. 52, if you use capitals There are ten numbers. 62 so far. Now there is a maximum of 16 digits/numbers in the PIC. 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 possibilities. Have fun brute forcing your way through ONE account! :D [/quote] [quote] matrixphijr : As he says, 62^16 IS 47672401706823533450263330816. That's 47 Octillion. Yes, octillion as in million, billion, trillion, quadrillion, quintillion, sextillion, septillion, octillion. 47 followed by 27 numbers. Good luck. [/quote]

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executionerz 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Yes Super Hackers R gonna waste TIme There Genius on a Kids Game rather than something they make another hack which can have more rewarding effects. Some idiot will try but wow thats just sad. And like i said I think the reason why Ne_on wants Maple to start in the website is so they can detect hackers quicker before they use a program to a account .So Yea maybe someone will but i think Ne_on is trying to help here.

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Vladzy 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] TheSinner : @above You don't know what a team of hackers are capable of buddy. [/quote] There's no reasonable method for hackers to obtain PICs, considering it's not possible to keylog by normal means and that brute-forcing would take an eternity, as the gentlemen above pointed out. The way most accounts are compromised is because of email accounts with simple security questions. Or expired email accounts. After that, it's all downhill.

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FlaminQuincy 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

it's annoying to put in such a long code every time you log in (esp. when going back and forth to mules for basil trades) but i guess it builds up secuirty. it's a good and bad thing in my opinion xp

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AnasF 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Retrospectus : They should've placed it right after the password confirmation. The way i see it, it's too absurd.. [/quote] I believe they put it in the Character Selection process so as to seperate passwords from PICs. If there was a database leak, the passwords would infact be linked to pin numbers. Now they're stored in seperate locations, from my understanding.

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sentret1989 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] executionerz : Yes Super Hackers R gonna waste TIme There Genius on a Kids Game rather than something they make another hack which can have more rewarding effects. Some idiot will try but wow thats just sad. And like i said I think the reason why Ne_on wants Maple to start in the website is so they can detect hackers quicker before they use a program to a account .So Yea maybe someone will but i think Ne_on is trying to help here. [/quote] Exactly if a hacker could make a PIC cracker why would he be waiting his time with maplestory, when he cold be working with the FBI.

executionerz 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

@Above So true Might as well get a real job rather than being a fugitive :D

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LostABowel 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Vladzy : There's no reasonable method for hackers to obtain PICs, considering it's not possible to keylog by normal means and that brute-forcing would take an eternity, as the gentlemen above pointed out. The way most accounts are compromised is because of email accounts with simple security questions. Or expired email accounts. After that, it's all downhill. [/quote] Must... stalk... all of Vlad posts! On topic PIC is a lot, A LOT safer than a pin. Quotes from people, including myself: [quote] LostABowel : There are 26 letters in the alphabet. 52, if you use capitals There are ten numbers. 62 so far. Now there is a maximum of 16 digits/numbers in the PIC. 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 x 62 possibilities. Have fun brute forcing your way through ONE account! :D [/quote] [quote] matrixphijr : As Penut says, 62^16 IS 47672401706823533450263330816. That's 47 Octillion. Yes, octillion as in million, billion, trillion, quadrillion, quintillion, sextillion, septillion, octillion. 47 followed by 27 numbers. Good luck. [/quote] [quote] FatalSparrow : If your PIC was 16 numbers long its estimated that it would take a computer over 1,000 days to brute force the PIC, adding in just 4 uppercase and 4 lowercase letters to 8 numbers increases the time to well over 3 MILLION days. In comparison a 4 number pin, takes less then 1 HOUR to crack on average. Fun tool: http://www.yeehee.com/tools/bruteforcecalc/index.php?uc=&lc=&nu=4&sc=&ran=&rans=&dict= [/quote] I mean, let's just say your PIC has 6 Upper case, 5 lower case and 5 numbers, there are 367,034,448,698,777,600,000 DIFFERENT combinations . I mean, that's just one way of doing it. Imagine 7 Upper case, 4 lower case, and 5 numbers. Another 367,034,448,698,777,600,000 DIFFERENT combinations right there. So all in all, it's next to impossible to brute force a PIC if you actually keep a good PIC It would take an average of 55,635,981.08 days to crack it with a computer that tries 137,438,953,472 passwords per hour. I'm pretty sure you'll get banned for 10 minutes every 5 times you get it wrong Source: http://www.yeehee.com/tools/bruteforcecalc/index.php?uc=7&lc=4&nu=5&sc=&ran=&rans=&dict=

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executionerz 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] LostABowel : Must... stalk... all of Vlad posts! On topic PIC is a lot, A LOT safer than a pin. Quotes from people, including myself: I mean, let's just say your PIC has 6 Upper case, 5 lower case and 5 numbers, there are 367,034,448,698,777,600,000 DIFFERENT combinations . I mean, that's just one way of doing it. Imagine 7 Upper case, 4 lower case, and 5 numbers. Another 367,034,448,698,777,600,000 DIFFERENT combinations right there. So all in all, it's next to impossible to brute force a PIC if you actually keep a good PIC It would take an average of 55,635,981.08 days to crack it with a computer that tries 137,438,953,472 passwords per hour. I'm pretty sure you'll get banned for 10 minutes every 5 times you get it wrong Source: http://www.yeehee.com/tools/bruteforcecalc/index.php?uc=7&lc=4&nu=5&sc=&ran=&rans=&dict= [/quote] I think by then The hacker would have given up OR Nexon would have detected by then so Either way no point of cracking. Ps. I just Ctrl c v a letter x hahaha :D

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matrixphijr 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I like the calculator. Oh, and pie.

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Loto42 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Actually, they are changing the log in set up. Proof : http://maplestory.nexon.net/WZ.ASPX?PART=/News/View&boardNo=100&contentNo=0069w (Official Site)

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TheSinner 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] executionerz : I think by then The hacker would have given up OR Nexon would have detected by then so Either way no point of cracking. Ps. I just Ctrl c v a letter x hahaha :D [/quote] There will always be a flaw in Nexon's security. Trust me =/ If you've seen the report about that one teenager charging like 30k NX and receiving more for his own purposes.. This PIC thing will probably have some loose strings at the end. B>Tons of chinese hackers willing to hack Nexons database.

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executionerz 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

There will be always a flaw to anything but right now its kinda stupid for a hacker to even search for a flaw because of howlong and tedious the job will be and should move on to a different thing rather than trying to find a flaw.

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