Steal or Endure?

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thread starter Hermit4lyf Feb 06 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I've been thinking recently between the choice from the title. Since i have seen the balance patch info the two skills in the title will get a boost. Steal becomes a mobbing move (hits 4, stuns and still has the steal chance) and endure becomes +100 and +40mp recovery per 10 seconds. Although im leaning towards maxing steal (because if the patch comes out before i hit lvl78-79 it will be a useful skill), I'm not sure its the right choice. Discuss.

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SableRain 02/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

TO the people saying stun will be useless because of BStep. Couldn't you just use Steal's stun between BStep to stun lock the monster? IE Bstep>Steal> BStep>Steal etc?

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xdarkshynobi 02/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] SableRain : TO the people saying stun will be useless because of BStep. Couldn't you just use Steal's stun between BStep to stun lock the monster? IE Bstep>Steal> BStep>Steal etc? [/quote] idk but once the patch comes to ms i will try it

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danyx 02/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

i'll just go for endure, because when you reach 70 you just need to bomb ew and boom! amazing lvl up

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bananenboom 02/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Both suck and I wont be using any of those skills :p

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xalex094 02/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

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dudeitzmeh 02/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Lucky 7

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Ideka 02/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

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kaiunoob 02/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

i wouldn't mind being able to stun wr's when i trained at the lower ascent for 23 levels.

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lienadam 02/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

is there even any proof to this Steal mobbing attack

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koko800 02/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Be sure to max Dark Sight first =D

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yumnoodles 02/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Let's use some good old number crunching to solve the debate. HP gain by endure is useless since you have to stand still to use it and chakra can fullfill that purpose. So, MP GAIN: in an hour of training, max, at 40mp per ten seconds always: 3600 seconds in an hour * 40 mp gain /10 seconds = 14400. Assuming 1mp=1meso, thats 14.4k saved per hour. Now, steal is alittle sketchier. Assuming at level 30: 40% chance to steal, hits 4 monsters, 520% damage, not counting w.def, stuns for 4 seconds, with mp usage 24, assuming you use it once every 3 seconds average: 1200 times used * 24 mp cost =28800 mp used in an hour. Assuming your pots cost you 1mp for 1 meso, thats 28.8k. Of course, factoring in the money you make by training, what you might actually get as a result of drops by steal, getting hit less because you stunned the monster, you end up gaining money which i can't really compute with formulas, and leaves to guesswork. ALSO CONSIDER: how hard it is to get rare stuff, even with steal, the fact that mesos dropped from steal are a fraction of what killing the monster might give, etc. Anyway, i use a lot of pre-patch information, so don't take alll this for granted. (wow that was 10minutes wasted. -_-)

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iamk1m 02/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

this is wat i did, i maxed endure and then maxed keen eyes and got one lucky 7, just for fun. becuz if ur gunna get 11 steal, then wat's the point anyways?

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Pakalolo 02/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I thought the big thing was that it was a multi-hit STEAL, not the fact that the damage was supposed to be amazing. For example if you're PoT hunting, you have 4 mobs, you do a Steal > BS> Steal > BS (or something like that) then you've basically doubled your chance at getting a pot from each of those mobs. The Stun and damage are just bonuses. This is just what i was told though

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