Twisted Jesters VS Wind Raiders: a reanalysis

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thread starter Eaiin Feb 02 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Please read this before polling, if you're not going to read it, please vote the last option. Or don't vote. -_- Okay, I've been trying to find a little bit of tested, and verifiable proof that Wind Raiders are in fact better experience than Twisted Jesters and have really come to nothing that can seen as truth. I'm here to bring up a few points aside from the "the xp/hp ratio sucks!" that everyone seems to use as their only proof of evidence. And this is comparing Wind Raider training at the Lower Ascent at a some what early part of the night (6PM-10PM, Pacific) versus that of Twisted Jesters inside the Chimney Room at the very top that is infested with nothing but the clowns at again, 6PM-10PM, Pacific. First Point: Getting there Note that Windraiders is a pain in the arse to get to, while the hardest part of getting to Twisted Jesters is the mario-esque platforms that at some times add a little fun (and with friends can lead to comical) value to the game. Getting to either is honestly not THAT hard, but it can be a turn-off to some people with crappier computers, crappy motor skills to have a pretty high chance of death just to get to a training area. Second Point: XP Wind Raiders give 800 XP. Twisted Jesters give 1350 XP. By the simple process of multiplication, we can then infer that with 2x, Twisted Jesters give 2700 XP per kill, while Wind Raiders give you 1600 per kill. Which you must note, that Wind Raiders barely exceeds the amount that a 1X twisted jester would give you. And yes, I know that Twisted Jesters have a rather ridiculous amount of health, so that leads me to my next point. Third Point and Fourth points: Killing time and Map Size I believe that you can effectively kill more, if not the same, amount of Twisted Jesters in the same time frame as Wind Raiders, simply because the size of the map and the length of the re spawn. At any given moment, there are at least 4-8 Jesters on your screen, while with the Lower Ascent, you would (over)kill a few, and hop over to another part of the map (which takes time) only to find another mob of 4-8 or so, not to mention needing to kill Storm Breakers to effectively increase the spawn (not that they are bad xp, it just decreases your overall killing speed and efficiency). I don't know the numbers, because I haven't ran through and tested it officially, but I do have a pretty good idea, and assuming that the above is correct, that you can kill the same amount of Twisted Jesters as Wind Raiders because of factors OTHER THAN THE HP RATIO, then that would, instantly and no matter what else, make Jestering a better option for the levels of 70-80. Some may argue that it is difficult to get up to the top levels of the Chimney room, and I have to agree, that BEFORE MY MOUNT, it was pretty retarded. But now that I have my fat piggy, and a little practice, it would be an embarrassment to call the process hard. Fifth and Sixth Points: Pot money, and dealing with rude, indecent, Maple people that infest

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BestMints333 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Don't froget the chances of a A/M Bishop stealing your map for a leecher =.= thats why I left and headed to Vikerolas = 2000 exp 36k HP. (referring to jesters)

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DoubleMint 02/02/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

About your preposition... Youtube only allows for videos to be 10 minutes long; I doubt anybody could gain 100% in that time.

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dliu222 02/02/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

So are u saying u think wr or hesters are better O.o

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blehmeh 02/02/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Do remember that crossroads is a GREAT sniping spot for WRs.

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Eaiin 02/02/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I think if you're going to spend a lot of time training and are choosing between the two, Jesters are the better option. :]

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iMalevolence 02/02/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Given these points I would have to say Jesters are better but cannot be 100% without testing them out.

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timowashere 02/02/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

jesters are better exp for my wk but they are more annoying i hate its magic attack

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fall3nkn1ght 02/02/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] DoubleMint : About your preposition... Youtube only allows for videos to be 10 minutes long; I doubt anybody could gain 100% in that time. [/quote] Just put it at fast forward x100 LOL. Or x50 for 1 video and then make another video x50

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JimBoJew 02/02/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I can't belive I read the whole thing. Pretty much every thing here I agree with. But IMO, WR's are waaaay too much of a hassle to get to, if I ever go there, I go with 0%.

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BestMints333 02/02/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Eaiin : I think if you're going to spend a lot of time training and are choosing between the two, Jesters are the better option. :] [/quote] Keep in mind that it is a leech hotspot. So during 2x don't expect to be training there *cough bishops and leechers in all maps* Jesters are better all around. WR has littler spawn since you have to go all around the huge map.

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nighteye 02/02/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Eh. Though I don't like all the people bashing TJs, I must say your post and info is rather biased.

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xblakK0ut 02/02/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Why do you say "probably" for all your polls? I have tried all these methods on my aran for atleast 3 hours each, 1x of wrs and jesters and 2x of wrs and jesters. If done right, you will get 15% more per hour on 2x at jesters. Windraiders are still better exp overall at 1x, and the storm breakers are not bad exp.

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iKaede 02/02/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

3rd option is dumb. why would something be better on 2x, but worse on 1x?

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Carrot 02/02/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I never feel efficient/interested moving around too much to kill my mobs, so constantly being surrounded by Jesters is how I keep awake when I grind.

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