Why go low-dex

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thread starter sl3athOwl Sep 06 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

OK, so I see tons of people saying "at about level 70 you should go low dex and you will have way higher damage!" why is that? I noticed the level 90 dexless claw "Night Raven's Claw" has an attack of 40 +2 luk, while a dragon sleeve has an atk of 50 with 7 luk, and a timeless lampion has an attack of 56 and 8 luk. If the theory of 5 luk= 1 weapon atk is true then the 150-160 dex you would need would equal 30-32 weapon atk, so the attack of the night raven claw would be 70-72 while a lampion or sleeve would be like 52-58. Please explain why I am wrong if I am. Thanks for your help Basilers! xD

orangeking11 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

sl3athOwl : OK, so I see tons of people saying "at about level 70 you should go low dex and you will have way higher damage!" why is that? I noticed the level 90 dexless claw "Night Raven's Claw" has an attack of 40 +2 luk, while a dragon sleeve has an atk of 50 with 7 luk, and a timeless lampion has an attack of 56 and 8 luk. If the theory of 5 luk= 1 weapon atk is true then the 150-160 dex you would need would equal 30-32 weapon atk, so the attack of the night raven claw would be 70-72 while a lampion or sleeve would be like 52-58. Please explain why I am wrong if I am. Thanks for your help Basilers! xD The "Low Dex are better at 70" is a very outdated idea. It came from the time when Kandayos were the long-term Claw for Dexless. But with the Bracer, Skanda, and NRC, Dexless can remain competitive for 140-150+ depending on level of funds. xD Your idea is right, but the math is a tad off though, since the Dex requirement dif. is about 25 Atk for GDS and 27 for the Rampion on 5 Luk = 1 Atk because you gotta remember both have at least 25 base Dex in order to be a Thief. xD The catch-up though comes from a similar idea, not just dif. in Claws. Since a Dexless has more Total Luk and less total W. Atk on equal funds, every point of Luk they add increases their power less than an additional point of Luk would to a Low Dex/Normal Dex because their ratios are lower. xD Edit: In short, a Dexless can remain fully competitive well into 4th job against a Low Dex of equal funds. A Low Dex catches up not only with just the advantage of W. Atk itself, but also the whole deal of the Luk: W. Atk ratio. Eventually the difference in those ratios allows a Low Dex to catch up as both continue to add more Luk. xD

sl3athOwl 09/06/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ok thanks so much. you really cleared that up. very recently though I have seen comments on threads that the low dex would be stronger. so a night raven claw will be about 5-6 atk lower so like 65 compared to 57-58 of a lampion. but then they will both be adding luck so that gap just gets narrower as they get higher up. thanks for clarifying this for me. xD

AutumnAzn 09/06/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

It's actually in the 150 - 160 area, which believe me, takes a lot longer than you would imagine. Also, keep in mind that this information is considered with equal funding, not equal scrolling. For example, a clean skanda is MUCH, MUCH cheaper than a reverse lampion, they are not equal just because they have been scrolled the same way. Ex. a skanda scrolled with 7 60%s will be much cheaper than a reverse lampion scrolled with 7 60%s, you don't compare items like that. Anyway, with equal funding (with equal funding =/= equal scrolling in mind), lowdex becomes stronger in the 150 - 160s (in general).

sl3athOwl 09/06/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

AutumnAzn : It's actually in the 150 - 160 area, which believe me, takes a lot longer than you would imagine. Also, keep in mind that this information is considered with equal funding, not equal scrolling. For example, a clean skanda is MUCH, MUCH cheaper than a reverse lampion, they are not equal just because they have been scrolled the same way. Ex. a skanda scrolled with 7 60%s will be much cheaper than a reverse lampion scrolled with 7 60%s, you don't compare items like that. Anyway, with equal funding (with equal funding =/= equal scrolling in mind), lowdex becomes stronger in the 150 - 160s (in general). Im saying that the dex points from equips and what you put into the stat are better of put into luk and increasing your atk by 30 or so and getting a night raven claw which has about 16 atk less than a timeless/reverse lampion. so i made this thread to ask people why they say low dex are better since with my research on the claws and amount of luk it takes for certain amounts of atk boil down to dexless superior to low dex with a lampion by about 12-15 atk points. you did not really state why the low dex becomes superior around the 150's you just said how a lampion costs more than a skanda which isnt even relevant to my topic at all. so if both characters had unlimited sums of funding how come the low dex would be better?

Flexsis 09/07/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

150+ LowDex is better : )

sl3athOwl + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Flexsis : 150+ LowDex is better : ) Why is it that low dex is better at 150+? i have seen tons of people saying this yet noone can explain why to me. the first poster said that the margin . decreases between dexless being better and lowdex as they get higher up (levels 150-160) thanks.

eswarrr 09/07/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Luk:W.att ratio my friend. Dexless is better and the level depends on how good your dexless weapon is scrolled. In other words, at later levels Luk:w.att ratio becomes smaller for a dexless and low dex starts getting better at this point.

orangeking11 09/07/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

eswarrr : Luk:W.att ratio my friend. Dexless is better and the level depends on how good your dexless weapon is scrolled. In other words, at later levels Luk:w.att ratio becomes smaller for a dexless and low dex starts getting better at this point. Small correction, it becomes larger later on (as in more Luk to equal 1 Atk). xD

sl3athOwl 09/08/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

eswarrr : Luk:W.att ratio my friend. Dexless is better and the level depends on how good your dexless weapon is scrolled. In other words, at later levels Luk:w.att ratio becomes smaller for a dexless and low dex starts getting better at this point. that is the one thing ive been asking people to say the entire time. thanks so much

Mancartia + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

sl3athOwl : Why is it that low dex is better at 150+? The more luk you have, the less benefit there is to being dexless. Eg. at level 120, 600 luk 150 dex vs. 700 luk 25 dex -> 1/6 extra luk At level 150, 750 luk 150 dex vs. 850 luk 150 dex -> 1/7.5 extra luk Leveling up makes the boost from extra luk smaller, and the gap in w.atk stays the same, so low-dex gets better and better compared to dexless. 150 is just a ballpark btw, it really depends how funded you are. An unfunded low-dex would be terrible compared to an unfunded dexless (because the level 110/120 claws cost a huge amount, they'd be stuck with craven or maybe casters, which are only 42 and 46 base to the Skanda's 33, while the Lampion is 52), but at mid-funds the low-dex is stronger since they can afford the best possible claw. For the highly funded pull-out-the-stops I believe dexless is again stronger - if you can get in the ballpark of 160-170 total atk, the difference from a lampion to a NRW is less significant, and the top of the line gear adds pure w.atk, no dex - so the low-dex has to raise their base more to compensate, or spend more funds on dex gear.

sl3athOwl 09/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Thanks peoples xD

xchocobo 09/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Read the 2nd part; 2. Reasoning Behind the Low-Dex Assassin

sl3athOwl 09/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

xchocobo : Read the 2nd part; 2. Reasoning Behind the Low-Dex Assassin thanks also. that explained a ton.xD