Dawn Warriors and Final Attack

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thread starter killerfan Aug 19 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

So I've kind of always had this negative opinion about final attack. I hated how it would ruin the mobbing damage of all my previous warriors and even more so for my crossbowman (in archer land FA is frowned down upon even more). And I've been reading on builds and most suggest you only get 22 final attack. However I have now come to the conclusion that maxing final attack would be a better more useful thing then having 21 or 22 final attack here's my reasoning. -What sealed the deal for me was that soul blade and driver (to the best of my knowledge) don't activate final attack, therefore it can't lower you're mobbing damage because by the time you start working on FA you should have already maxed soul blade and no longer be using slash blast. -It actually increases the DPM (very slightly but only max FA will) of brandish if you're current weapon attack speed with buffs and all is less then fast (3). Only getting 21 or 22 FA will lower brandish's DPM. -Even if you do eventually decide not to use FA with brandish it helped you all the way to 100. And no other attack you can get until then really replaces its usefulness when fighting 1v1. (Again as far as I know soul blade and diver don't activate FA) -Maxing FA can best be done by leaving rage at 19 and booster at 12. 2 minute booster and 12 att boost is better then 200 second boost and only an 8 att boost. -the points you put into FA and out of booster are better then wasting them on iron body and soul. EDIT: All the points you need in iron body is 1 to cancel out the negative part of rage and the wep def it gives you will be less noticeable then the damage FA will give you over the long run. I don't even use soul anymore even if I did max it I wouldn't so unless you all plan on using soul all 120 levels its not worth maxing. So what do you guys think? (If soul blade activates FA I haven't noticed I have lvl 10 FA so far and haven't seen soul blade activate it, I've also read that soul blade and driver don't activate FA) Also I don't know if FA hits multiple people with brandish and if the damage is distributed like slash blast in which case it still helps for getting to 100. EDITS: okay as pointed out by kevvl FA lowers brandish's DPM on mobs greater then 1 by about 10x as much as it helps versus mobs of 1. However I think the logic that sum how FA is only gotten for brandish is very flawed and as for training you will always have stragglers and I dislike leaving them alive. FA will still probably help when training at gobies killing bonefish that get in the way or destroying house. Again FA not only is a buff but your mob skills won't activate it. You could just not cast FA when you get brandish like a hero stops using coma and panic when they get brandish. Just because brandish replaces coma and panic doesn't mean crusaders shouldn't get them and the same logic goes for DW and FA.

SolarFM 08/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

people say that FA is uncontrollable, so they hate it

cookiepowuh1 08/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

it sounds really good! my dawn warrior is still on the 1st job so i might go with ur idea for the 2nd job build :D

killerfan 08/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

SolarFM : people say that FA is uncontrollable, so they hate it you can control it cause its a buff and as a warrior you shouldn't be able to die in the time that FA goes off.

SolarFM 08/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

really? i know nothing of FA except that wind archers shouldn't max them (again from others).

killerfan 08/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

SolarFM : really? i know nothing of FA except that wind archers shouldn't max them (again from others). i'm talking about warriors here, I have a marksman and I already said that archers really shouldn't get FA because they have better skills to max and FA accidentally aggroing a monster you're not ready to fight gets you killed more easily as an archer then a warrior who has way more hp.

lolmaster 08/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

it really doesnt matter if you have fa with brandish or not. the fa is almost instant after the 2nd attack.

fpsmuch 08/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

i would max fa because it's a buff not passive

killerfan Aug 19 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

fpsmuch : i would max fa because it's a buff not passive even as a passive skill i'd probably still max it, dawn warrior's main mob skills don't seem to activate it

Crayola555 08/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

killerfan : even as a passive skill i'd probably still max it, dawn warrior's main mob skills don't seem to activate it In a thread they made, max FA would only increase your damage by 1 %. [On a mob of LESS than 1]

killerfan 08/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Crayola555 : In a thread they made, max FA would only increase your damage by 1 %. [On a mob of LESS than 1] as appose to the 21 most guides recommend and lower your damage and not to mention how much FA has helped you getting to 100. It's still worth it I think.

LolMagenta Aug 19 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I maxed it on my DW (currently lvl 99) because of simliar reasons. It's a buff so I can use it when I want to or not use it when I don't. The extra atk boost is nice only at a sacrifice of time on your booster. (BTW why 12 booster and not 11 booster to have max rage?) And just some info, you're right, Soul Blade does not activate FA, Soul Driver doesn't activate it, the only things that do are slash blast/power strike at a % rate and IDK about brandish at a success rate, cause I always thought brandish always did a final attack, but I have one more level to go to find out. BTW hey Static! :D

bigplatano 08/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

no FA only works with power strike and slash blast FA on Dawn Warrior is a waste leave it at 10 since you get brandish FA is Dawn Warrior is like on spearman not as crucial as fighter or page

killerfan 08/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

bigplatano : no FA only works with power strike and slash blast FA on Dawn Warrior is a waste leave it at 10 since you get brandish FA is Dawn Warrior is like on spearman not as crucial as fighter or page It's at 10 now I'm working on maxing it @Shiftless Hey =)

LolMagenta 08/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

bigplatano : no FA only works with power strike and slash blast FA on Dawn Warrior is a waste leave it at 10 since you get brandish FA is Dawn Warrior is like on spearman not as crucial as fighter or page Why? I don't see that as a good enough reason cause max FA can be achieved without any sacrifice but time on booster.