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thread starter Crusadedd Aug 17 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

"Religion is the masterpiece of the art of animal training, for it trains people as to how they shall think. " Quote courtesy of DeMoNiAk. /discuss

xknight1001 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

No thank you.

Gunk 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'd discuss, but I don't get.

Crusadedd 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Gunk : I'd discuss, but I don't get. What's not to understand?

ashesofasoul 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

People are animals.

Crusadedd 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ashesofasoul : People are animals. Yes but we have free will do we not?

ashesofasoul 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Crusadedd : Yes but we have free will do we not? Animals have free will, too.

johnbrown Aug 17 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

schadenfreude

Crusadedd 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ashesofasoul : Animals have free will, too. Yes but humans are much smarter then the common animal. We are the only ones to establish a civilization. Well one that's worth mentioning. We should be smart enough to think for ourselves.

KewlPerson 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

But the whole free will makes you wonder if God(s) wanted us to follow things by a book or something why did they create free will? It'd be similar to a farmer with his sheep. He doesn't want his sheep to roam free yet he doesn't set up a fence. You wouldn't expect sheep to stay in that area now would you?

Caelio Aug 17 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Edited.

ashesofasoul 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Crusadedd : Yes but humans are much smarter then the common animal. We are the only ones to establish a civilization. Well one that's worth mentioning. We should be smart enough to think for ourselves. Is it wrong to believe in something others believe in as well? It's not like religion transforms people into mindless robot zombies. They retain free will and they choose to believe in whatever they believe in, whether or not they were taught it since childhood. Morality is not a hindrance to society.

Karamazov 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Only a male intellect clouded by the sexual drive could call the stunted, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped and short-legged sex the fair sex: for it is with this drive that all its beauty is bound up. More fittingly than the fair sex, women could be called the unaesthetic sex. Neither for music, nor poetry, nor the plastic arts do they possess any real feeling or receptivity: if they affect to do so, it is merely mimicry in service of their effort to please. This comes from the fact that they are incapable of taking a purely objective interest in anything whatever, and the reason for this is, I think, as follows. Man strives in everything for a direct domination over things, either by comprehending or by subduing them. But woman is everywhere and always relegated to a merely indirect domination, which is achieved by means of man, who is consequently the only thing she has to dominate directly. Thus it lies in the nature of women to regard everything simply as a means of capturing a man, and their interest in anything else is only simulated, is no more than a detour, i.e. amounts to coquetry and mimicry.

bookofheaven 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Crusadedd : Yes but humans are much smarter then the common animal. We are the only ones to establish a civilization. Well one that's worth mentioning. We should be smart enough to think for ourselves. But long before we had our civilizations, animals had their own animal kingdom and perfect food chain, until we destroyed it. They also went in balance with nature, keeping life itself living,

Crusadedd 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ashesofasoul : Is it wrong to believe in something others believe in as well? It's not like religion transforms people into mindless robot zombies. They retain free will and they choose to believe in whatever they believe in, whether or not they were taught it since childhood. Morality is not a hindrance to society. Is that the reason you do it? Because others believe too? Why not believe what YOU want to believe? KewlPerson : But the whole free will makes you wonder if God(s) wanted us to follow things by a book or something why did they create free will? It'd be similar to a farmer with his sheep. He doesn't want his sheep to roam free yet he doesn't set up a fence. You wouldn't expect sheep to stay in that area now would you? That is if the God(s) are real. bookofheaven : But long before we had our civilizations, animals had their own animal kingdom and perfect food chain, until we destroyed it. They also went in balance with nature, keeping life itself living, We destroyed it because we are the superior race. We are at the top of the food chain so we do what we want. Is the animal kingdom not like that? The top of the food chain does what they want as the bottom suffers for being weak. It's a sad truth but that's how the world is. Karamazov : Only a male intellect clouded by the sexual drive could call the stunted, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped and short-legged sex the fair sex: for it is with this drive that all its beauty is bound up. More fittingly than the fair sex, women could be called the unaesthetic sex. Neither for music, nor poetry, nor the plastic arts do they possess any real feeling or receptivity: if they affect to do so, it is merely mimicry in service of their effort to please. This comes from the fact that they are incapable of taking a purely objective interest in anything whatever, and the reason for this is, I think, as follows. Man strives in everything for a direct domination over things, either by comprehending or by subduing them. But woman is everywhere and always relegated to a merely indirect domination, which is achieved by means of man, who is consequently the only thing she has to dominate directly. Thus it lies in the nature of women to regard everything simply as a means of capturing a man, and their interest in anything else is only simulated, is no more than a detour, i.e. amounts to coquetry and mimicry. Is this related to this post? The parts I understood made it seem like you were going on about sexism...