Bowman or Crossbowman? Which is Overall Better Nowadays?

basilmarket.com forums : Bowman | 13 posts archived

thread starter Stellar Aug 16 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

By the end of 1st Job, everyone wonders which archer they should make, a Hunter or a Crossbowman. This thread is to help those which want the best out of Archers. Though both classes have their advantages and disadvantages, Crossbowmen have recently been upgraded due to the KMST updates however, some still think they are "failures" like they were in the past, and some think they are still even with Bowmen. I have known a few people who have made Hunters because people told them that BMs were stronger and have regretted the decision, I think that when people want to make a Archer based on 4th Job and the better Class overall, they should consider these facts which I'll be stating. Basic Comparisons... - Crossbows have a higher damage formula than Bows, they also tend to have more base Weapon Attack. - Crossbows are a lot cheaper than Bows. For example, I saw a 109 Attack Golden Raven (LV 80 Crossbow) for 30 mil whereas a 109 Attack White Nisrock (Bow) was worth around 60 mil. Though Crossbows are said to be very rare, it's no wonder people attempt to scroll one themselves however, because of the Crossbows and their scrolls being low priced, it is pretty cheap to try scrolling yourself. Also, because of the low prices, one may attempt many scrolls. - Crossbowmen can freeze to save potions while training, unlike Bowmen which use Fire which cannot inflict a burn status. - Blizzard does not crit, Inferno does however, Inferno is not used by Bowmen either way so it can be ignored. - Normal Speed Bow speed = Normal Crossbow speed however, Fast Bow speed > Fast Crossbow speed. This is one good advantage however, Fast Bows are not common as they lie in the levels 35, 43, 64 and 90. Also, DPM is not really important at 2nd and 3rd job as Archers do not boss until 4th job, where Bowmen get Hurricane, a skill which has its own set speed, meaning a Fast Bow will not affect its speed so... Fast Speed is not necessary for DPM at 2nd and 3rd job as you will not be bossing at this stage and Fast speed does not affect Hurricane. - BOTH BM AND MM GET SHARP EYES 2nd Job Comparisons... - There are PQs like the Monster Carnival. A problem is that Hunters and Crossbowmen will probably be excluded because of the Cygnus Knights being stronger at this stage so training may be a great option. - The Hunter can stun, which helps a lot while training however, the Crossbowman has higher damage potential with their Iron Arrow and Double Shot (factoring in a higher damage formula and higher base weapon attack) so both classes are pretty even at this stage. 3rd Job Comparisons... - Both get the same skills however, Crossbowmen can freeze at this stage at a 100% chance as opposed to the Bowman's Inferno which is not used. - Since they get the same skills, the Crossbowman's higher weapon attack, cheaper weapons and stronger damage formula causes them to do much more damage then Bowmen, the fast speed bows will not greatly affect DPM as you will not be bossing at this stage but may

Desiderata03 08/16/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I do agree with Kevvl, this is super-baised and has little to no factual evidence to support its claims. Where does it mention that Snipe and Pierce are near useless until they're well on their way to being maxed and how difficult that makes leveling them? Where does it mention that MM only beat BMs in bossing DPM if they max Snipe early, meaning they don't benefit from a faster training speed (and actually experience a slower one thanks to the massive overkill of snipe and the minimal overkill of hurricane)? And the fact that BM also beat most MM in bossing DPM pre-140 as well. This isn't impartial in the least bit.

AznKal245 08/16/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I personally can't deal with the crossbow on MY computer, crossbow's are slow very laggy, and sometimes annoying cause if your against the wall your gonna take some dmg from monsters.

xxxhuricanex 08/16/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

That's like asking people which color is better, blue or red. There's always going to be something about one that is better than the other, and vice versa. There's too much of your own opinion in your arguement, people want the cold hard #'s and facts.

ToushirouZX 08/16/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

AngelxHoly : Nowdays, BM's are half complaining, and I think it's fair to some extent. I mean, MM's are saying "oh boo hoo, you outshadow us anyway". But these KMS updates have done almost nothing for BM's, but eerything for MM's. The pierce and snipe reductions? I mean, they already owned in mobs, now theyre just machines of death against them, and snipe allows them to be almost on-par with BM's at bosses, where is the "equality" in the jobs now? This. But I still would rather choose BM over MM anyday. Who wants to choose a class that basically follows these steps in order to kill mobs (Blizzard - DB - (DB) - Pierce - (Pierce)). Don`t forget about OHKO move, big challenge there. BMs only have pinning ability over MM.

TreeHuggers 08/16/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Kevvl : Way better than your thread. And far less biased. It's a bit old don't ya think?

ih8nobs 08/16/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ToushirouZX : This. But I still would rather choose BM over MM anyday. Who wants to choose a class that basically follows these steps in order to kill mobs (Blizzard - DB - (DB) - Pierce - (Pierce)). Don`t forget about OHKO move, big challenge there. BMs only have pinning ability over MM. How about BMs? Spam bomb? Or hurricane them down? Big challenge there with the pinning ability if the enemy is just stuck at the wall.

Icedfire Aug 16 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Kevvl : Way better than your thread. And far less biased. i don't agree. unless that thread is revised HEAVILY, this one actually seems better. though they're both bad imo. math proofs should not be used, ever f3 desiderata, you forgot the one where bm's can't put during hurr (or jumpshoot it) and how mm's can't pot during or jumpshoot pierce =p

naruto1233 08/16/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Yea, that thread compares very little 4th job skills, but is accurate. This thread doesn't give us an unbiased view on the whole thing. Why can't everybody just accept that Wizet made the jobs as equal as possible? Also, to determine the better character, the playing style of the person would also come into play; meaning we really should stop with these who's better threads, and just give an unbiased, modernized version of technolink's thread.

Kevvl 08/16/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Icedfire : i don't agree. unless that thread is revised HEAVILY, this one actually seems better. though they're both bad imo. math proofs should not be used, ever f3 desiderata, you forgot the one where bm's can't put during hurr (or jumpshoot it) and how mm's can't pot during or jumpshoot pierce =p I can Jumpshoot Pierce.

liyanggu 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Kevvl : I can Jumpshoot Pierce. Yay, u are wearing your dark nisrock again

Firestone160 Aug 17 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Kevvl : Way better than your thread. And far less biased. Exactly, I really dislike how biased you are in every single thread upon this matter.... Why are you so in favour of Marksmen? Your BM didn't turn out as godly as you heard it should be, or you just think BM's suck now because MM's got an upgrade to be a bit more on par? Convicted : but in 4th job a bms dpm will always be better and a xbows dpm will always be close unless with si of course. Not true at some points MM's 1v1 is better under godly conditions (with apple till ~lvl160, w/o apple till 18x-19x). you : I've seen a 119atk casa for 30mill Biggest bull ever. If you see this, buy it immediately, like 300mill+ profit right there.

ToushirouZX 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ih8nobs : How about BMs? Spam bomb? Or hurricane them down? Big challenge there with the pinning ability if the enemy is just stuck at the wall. It's too bad you can't put that step to step, meaning there are still little gaps onto different functions inbetween what you just said. And who ever said that bosses take more challenge than training efficiently?