Brandish: FA or not? Resolved! Come see the math!

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thread starter Camdon Aug 13 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Myself, Taleko, and Tugboats have mathed out DPS advantages of Brandish vs Brandish with FA. This post has nothing to do with the utility, extra KB (or lack thereof) or anything else regarding FA with Brandish. These calculations are merely standing in one spot holding down the brandish key, and should only be held valid in such scenarios (Basically this is only truly valid info when bossing) Due to controversy I removed most of the content of this thread. I'll leave these numbers up incase anyone wants to take a quick peek at what I found out personally. Brandish with FA only has a 1.073% damage advantage over brandish without FA (on 1 target, assuming 80 attacks per minute) FA with Brandinh was about 619%, without it it was about 613%. This was neglecting charge, combo, and any other buff, purely buffing FA and spamming Brandish Assuming FA with brandish works the same as FA with SB they are as follows 1 mon = 250% 2 mon = 192% / 58% 3 mon = 180% / 54% / 16.2% No FA = 613.33% DPS FA 1 mob = 619% DPS FA 2 mobs = 584.55 / 502.85 = 543.77 AVG DPS FA 3 mobs = 577.24 / 500.40 / 477.36 = 518.33 AVG DPS

Superalmightyon 08/13/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

How do you know Brandish+FA has a 1140ms speed?

Camdon 08/13/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Brandish has an attack speed of 750 ms, and Final Attack is an attack at 50% of the original attack speed. 750 * 1.5 = 1125 All attacks have a delay of about a 15th of a second between them so we go: 1125 + 15 = 1140 ms

Superalmightyon 08/13/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Where do you get that FA is 50% of the original speed? From the SP attack speed tables for PS and SB: Final Attack (stab -> stab) Faster (2): 540ms + 390ms (-180ms, -120ms) Faster (3): 570ms + 420ms (-150ms, -90ms) Fast (4): 630ms + 450ms (-90ms, -60ms) Fast (5): 660ms + 480ms (-60ms, -30ms) Normal (6): 720ms + 510ms Slow (7): 750ms + 540ms (+30ms, +30ms) Slow (8): 810ms + 570ms (+90ms, +60ms) Final Attack (any other combo) Faster (2): 540ms + 450ms (-180ms, -120ms) Faster (3): 570ms + 480ms (-150ms, -90ms) Fast (4): 630ms + 510ms (-90ms, -60ms) Fast (5): 660ms + 540ms (-60ms, -30ms) Normal (6): 720ms + 570ms Slow (7): 750ms + 600ms (+30ms, +30ms) Slow (8): 810ms + 660ms (+90ms, +90ms)

Camdon Aug 13 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Those are PS and SB, we are talking Brandish, and if you want the source, ill PM the link to taleko and have him post his source for the times in here, I just did the math based off his numbers. Worst case scenario, I lock my monitor at 100 FPS tonight and use a stopwatch.

Efemera Aug 13 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Better just to spam Brandish with Booster + Normal (6) weapon for a minute and count how many Brandishes and FAs there are. Example: 65 Brandishes, 35 FAs 60 seconds - (30*0.750 for Brandish-only) = 37.5 seconds for 35 (Brandish + FAs) 37.5/35= ~1.071 = round to 1080ms per Brandish + FA Those are made up numbers, though.

Camdon Aug 13 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Just to add add at Superalmightyon: Those are taken from the KMSTS. They very-well could be different, but even if they are a bit lower (1 or 2 more attacks per minute) it would only increase the DPS and DPM an insignificant amount (less than 5%)

re7sam 08/13/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

english please so FA or not?

aaronpinoy56923 08/13/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

so we needa put fa for my dawn?

Camdon 08/13/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Brandish with FA only has a 1.073% damage advantage over brandish without FA (on 1 target, assuming 80 attacks per minute)

Mclena 08/13/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

So if your looking for a 2% damage increase then Brandish and FA. If you don't care about 2% then just work with Brandish. I'm Still going over what I have to put my SP into 2nd job... This totally changes everything.

Camdon 08/13/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Mclena : So if your looking for a 2% damage increase then Brandish and FA. If you don't care about 2% then just work with Brandish. I'm Still going over what I have to put my SP into 2nd job... This totally changes everything. Less than that, 1.073 aka 1%

slelrla 08/13/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

SO is it better to leave FA at 21 or MAX? like srs bsns answer the question

Efemera 08/13/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

slelrla : SO is it better to leave FA at 21 or MAX? like srs bsns answer the question Use your brain a little.

Vladzy Aug 13 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Camdon : Brandish has an attack speed of 750 ms, and Final Attack is an attack at 50% of the original attack speed. 750 * 1.5 = 1125 The way you word it makes it sound like FA Brandish is half the speed of Brandish.