TT1 VS. Lucky Seven lv20

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thread starter Heartx4ttack Aug 07 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

As the title says, I've been wondering. Which is stronger? Triple Throw lv1 OR Lucky Seven lv20? I've tested this out at Windraiders and i've found that I one hit KO them more with Triple throw lv1 than with Lucky Seven. Anyone have any ideas or input? Thanks.

Looterlord 08/07/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Lucky Seven level 20: Level 20: MP -16; Damage 150% x 2 Hits = 300% damage. Triple throw level 1: MP -11, Damage 102% x 3 Hits = 306% damage. I'd assume triple throw is slightly more powerful and less mp consuming, but uses more stars. Your call.

skwiggle 08/08/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I forget the math but I've seen it done countless times and TT1 is more powerful

billyang 08/08/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Well, with the TT, even though it's 6% higher, wouldn't the def applying 3 times sometimes weaken it more than L7 which calculates it twice?

monkeyg2 Aug 08 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

billyang : Well, with the TT, even though it's 6% higher, wouldn't the def applying 3 times sometimes weaken it more than L7 which calculates it twice? That being true. You have another chance to get a crit, which increases the damage way more ALSO you must consider shadow partner, so TT lvl 1 actually gives 2 more attacks :P

randommac1 08/08/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

well, with sp, for L7 it's 400%. With TT 1, it's 456%. With sp, tt1 would be obviously stronger.

TehBomb 08/08/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Yesh TT 1 is stronger!

billyang Aug 08 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

monkeyg2 : That being true. You have another chance to get a crit, which increases the damage way more ALSO you must consider shadow partner, so TT lvl 1 actually gives 2 more attacks :P That's true, cause crit adds 100%, putting all crit L7 at 500% and all crit TT at 600%.

Heartx4ttack 08/08/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

randommac1 : well, with sp, for L7 it's 400%. With TT 1, it's 456%. With sp, tt1 would be obviously stronger. How did you come up with those numbers? I'm curious.

voyance 08/08/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

L7=300% TT1=306% with sp L7= 540% TT1= 544% Now, TT is obvliously better from the numbers, even with crit on but L7's highier probablility to KB a creature is highier. Also, Since L7 is stronger per hit, it can easily "hit through" a monster's defence.

Jonk Aug 08 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

3 * ( [((3.75 * LUK) / 100) * Weapon Attack) * 1.03]) + ([(LUK * 3.6 + STR + DEX) / 100] * Weapon Attack) * .5) ____________________________________________________________________________________________ = 2 * ( [((3.75 * LUK) / 100) * Weapon Attack) * 1.50]) + ([(LUK * 3.6 + STR + DEX) / 100] * Weapon Attack) * .5) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 * (TT Avg Dam + Avg Crit) _______________________ = 2 * (L7 Avg Dam + Avg Crit) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3.09Dam + 3 Avg ______________ = % Better TT is than L7. 3.00Dam + 2 Avg

orangeking11 08/08/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

TT1 also has a much better chance of inflicting Venom if ya got it. xD

mojomage2 08/08/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm pretty sure that a lower percentage damage that a skill has means it will be more greatly affected by crit. This is because crit doesn't simply double the damage, but works in some other way (not really sure how)

Jonk 08/08/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

mojomage2 : I'm pretty sure that a lower percentage damage that a skill has means it will be more greatly affected by crit. This is because crit doesn't simply double the damage, but works in some other way (not really sure how) Crit simply add 100% damage (So add your damage range to your TT/L7 damage) at a 50% rate. Therefor Avg Crit = 100% * 50% = 50% extra Damage

CrimsonPride 08/08/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

L7's average damage without SP is 400%. (150% + 50%(average damage added by critical))*2(2 hits) = 400%. TT's average damage without SP is 486%. (102% + 50%)*3 = 486%