A few thoughts on Brandish Range

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thread starter Camdon Aug 03 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I posted a while ago stating why 1h brandish should be reduced. This isnt me trying to respark flame wars or anything, I just was thinking today, and wanted to bring up a valid point. 2H Sword Pro: More Atk 2H Sword Con Slower Speed 1H Sword Pro Faster Speed 1H Sword Con Less Attack But then everyone says ZOMG ST! BEST OF BOTH WORLDS!. No, it is not, because then you need to have higher dex (more than 23), which in turn lowers your damage. Everyone brings up the debate of "Oh well they get fixed range because their gear is more expensive". This statement is invalid. The game is run on a free-market based economy. If quests randomly started giving out 1handed GM scrolls (hmm, deja vu?) or if shield attack became more readily available, then that statement goes out the window, because prices drop. Atk shields and well scrolled items are only expensive because people are greedy. Only intelligent input is considerred for a reply. Anyone stating I'm complaining will be ignored. Looking to have a serious discussion here

iHiryuu Aug 03 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

It's painful I missed it when atk shields never existed Being 1h was actually a HIGHER SPEED but less attack Now it's a higher speed and more damage. Honestly I don't care about the low-dex bull. I'll just say with my 73 dex and finish my STR overall. In the end I'll be happy spending a few M.. Instead of spending more than ALL OF MY ITEMS COMBINED on a shield. But that's just me - efficient equips at a low cost. Sadly our economy based on rip-offs and cash causes an unfair gap Between the Merchant-FM hordes to the general Gamer. Edit: I got off topic but... I agree - the range of 1h swords is too long They already have all the advantages... Why give them the same range too

DanishDude1 08/03/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I dunno if you consider this intelligent input, but it's spelled deja vu, not deja view.

Pandivious Aug 03 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I believe that the 1h brandish range shouldn't be reduced (I'm personally a 2handed user though) because of the fact that it DOES give you a lower range than normal two hands. And people are funded anyways to go and outdamage a 2 handed user with an attack shield. The only fact that *some 1 handed users are stronger than 2h, is because they're funded. But I do *semi*-agree with Hiryuu

Camdon Aug 03 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

DanishDude1 said: "I dunno if you consider this intelligent input, but it's spelled deja vu, not deja view." Lol I know that (I speak french :P) I mispelled it to be random (You never watched ALF I take it?) :D Ill fix it if you like.

iHiryuu Aug 03 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Pandivious said: "I believe that the 1h brandish range shouldn't be reduced (I'm personally a 2handed user though) because of the fact that it DOES give you a lower range than normal two hands. And people are funded anyways to go and outdamage a 2 handed user with an attack shield. The only fact that *some 1 handed users are stronger than 2h, is because they're funded. But I do *semi*-agree with Hiryuu" Lol @ Semi But uhh...I do *semi*-disagree with you. The epidemic of Low-dex warriors is real. I have not seen a single normal-dex warrior that's lower than level 70 for over a year. Unless they "quit" and came back - just to quit and go low-dex Or to another class Currently funding is much easier - since anyone can buy NX and purchase what they want. I'm not saying they WILL - but it's always a possibility. It's similar to the Elemental wands - and how Bishops do 75% with them now. Not all bishops COULD afford them - but the ones who could were over-powered. So they reduced the damage to even it out for all the 4th job Mage classes. But considering the fact the atk shield scrolls are already out I'd say just lower the Brandish attack range That's the only change I could actually see happen. The economy is already ruined anyway

Pandivious 08/03/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

iHiryuu said: " Lol @ Semi But uhh...I do disagree also with you. The epidemic of Low-dex warriors is real. I have not seen a single normal-dex warrior that's lower than level 70 for over a year. Unless they "quit" and were back years ago. Currently funding is much easier - since anyone can buy NX and purchase what they want. I'm not saying they WILL - but it's always a possibility. It's similar to the Elemental wands - and how Bishops do 75% with them now. Not all bishops COULD afford them - but the ones who could were over-powered. So they reduced the damage to even it out for all the 4th job Mage classes. But considering the fact the atk shield scrolls are already out I'd say just lower the Brandish attack range That's the only change I could actually see happen. The economy is already ruined anyway" I am a level 120 hero that has 85 dex. I'm also semi-funded, but I decided to go for 2 handed swords. Why? Because of less meso-usage, and I didn't want to be like 90% of all the other heroes that are way too strong. Maybe Nexon should nerf the shield attack scrolls a little, so 2 handed users can get more of an advantage. I don't think they should lower brandish range, because it's range is why brandish is useful.

Camdon Aug 03 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

See, That is how I look at it iHiryuu. You cant factor price into determining pros and cons, unless the price is established and fixed. Free market systems have fluctuating values so who knows, maybe they will plummet in price tomorrow? Noone knows. You cant use a variable to prove a fact. Its like saying "Apples are X". Today X could be red, but if tomorrow X = blue then "Apples are blue", therefore Apples cannot be X I think that the people that said "They choose the con of having to pay more" were stating an invalid arguement, and I should have realized this back when that flame-fest was alive and well. edit: @ImaPresent I assumed it was cuz its a double PS to 3 monsters LOL. either way.

DanishDude1 08/03/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Camdon said: " Lol I know that (I speak french :P) I mispelled it to be random (You never watched ALF I take it?) :D Ill fix it if you like." Ah, I guess I didn't get the joke xD.

Camdon 08/03/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

DanishDude1 said: " Ah, I guess I didn't get the joke xD." ALF was a show about an alien who used to talk about "Deja VIEW" a lot. It has to do with american accents and how they dont pronounce it "Deja Voo". Back on topic! -choo choo-

iHiryuu Aug 03 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Camdon said: "See, That is how I look at it iHiryuu. You cant factor price into determining pros and cons, unless the price is established and fixed. Free market systems have fluctuating values so who knows, maybe they will plummet in price tomorrow? Noone knows. You cant use a variable to prove a fact. Its like saying "Apples are X". Today X could be red, but if tomorrow X = blue then "Apples are blue", therefore Apples cannot be X I think that the people that said "They choose the con of having to pay more" were stating an invalid arguement, and I should have realized this back when that flame-fest was alive and well. edit: @ImaPresent I assumed it was cuz its a double PS to 3 monsters LOL. either way." :x ow - I just...I dunno. I can't really complain as much because they paid "moar" to get "moar" Sadly I'll never truly be able to compete with high-dex and a blue Stonetooth. But then again with the fluctuation in our economy 2h swords COULD become insanely cheap And all the ST/NRW users could profit and catch up But for now I'll accept my loss and go-on playing this game...

Pandivious 08/03/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Camdon said: "See, That is how I look at it iHiryuu. You cant factor price into determining pros and cons, unless the price is established and fixed. Free market systems have fluctuating values so who knows, maybe they will plummet in price tomorrow? Noone knows. You cant use a variable to prove a fact. Its like saying "Apples are X". Today X could be red, but if tomorrow X = blue then "Apples are blue", therefore Apples cannot be X I think that the people that said "They choose the con of having to pay more" were stating an invalid arguement, and I should have realized this back when that flame-fest was alive and well. edit: @ImaPresent I assumed it was cuz its a double PS to 3 monsters LOL. either way." Many factors form an equation. Brandish has many uses to make it outrank power strike and slash blast.

bridgey07 08/03/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Even if they did change 1H brandish's range, it wouldn't be by a lot, Less than a 2H sword, but more than say...blast. At the guy saying they get lower ranges, attack shields over-come that sometimes, however they went 1H for the DPM, but with brandish there's NO drawback to going 1H, Whereas with a -slightly- smaller range there would be a minor penalty.

Camdon 08/03/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

bridgey07 said: "Even if they did change 1H brandish's range, it wouldn't be by a lot, Less than a 2H sword, but more than say...blast. At the guy saying they get lower ranges, attack shields over-come that sometimes, however they went 1H for the DPM, but with brandish there's NO drawback to going 1H, Whereas with a -slightly- smaller range there would be a minor penalty." but still. 1hers wanna have their cake and eat it too. Sorry but nothing in life comes with no cons. You should know this Liam. You left me. Con: No more wicked smex! LOL

DeviousPeas 08/03/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Camdon said: " but still. 1hers wanna have their cake and eat it too. Sorry but nothing in life comes with no cons. You should know this Liam. You left me. Con: No more wicked smex! LOL" Pro: Everything else.