Are dexless sins the best build for it's class?

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thread starter Torchic Jul 15 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Alright, I'm already positive that dexless sins are pure ownage in 2nd job. What about 3rd job and 4th job? I'm pretty sure that regular dex sins are never good in terms of damage. Some people claim that lowdex sins eventually outdamage dexless sins? How is that possible? Can someone explain to me why dexless sins are not pure pwnage? o__o

orangeking11 Jul 15 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Because our class relies on a Luk:W.Atk ratio. Dexless have the most Luk, but eventually they fall behind in W. Atk, their advantage then narrows where a Normal Dex gets close and Low Dex definitely get the potential to catch up and surpass Dexless. xD Edit: I personally think all 3 builds definitely have their perks and draws, whichever is the best depends on the player. Personally, I'm glad I stayed Normal because I'm not so concerned about doing the best damage possible (my Claw is still 56 Atk, 5 slot and wearing a Z-Helm, PAC, and my Red Katinas set, I'd get +38 Luk, +3 Atk in power, but I'm fine with my damage now in this outfit). Plus I definitely enjoy the Thief clothes and not a big guy on planning out Low Dex. xD

xsetx 07/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Dont listen to orangeking11, dexless is the best way to go. Requires alot of mesos though, 30+ dex zhelm, 30+ dex robe etc. You can wear the same items as a reg dex sin. Plus maple warrior only adds to your base stats, so more in luk = more dmg.

flare4123 Jul 15 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

xsetx said: "Dont listen to orangeking11, dexless is the best way to go. Requires alot of mesos though, 30+ dex zhelm, 30+ dex robe etc. You can wear the same items as a reg dex sin. Plus maple warrior only adds to your base stats, so more in luk = more dmg." thats lowdex man .... learn a little more about dexless/lowdex/reg dex and orangeking11 is right they all have their ups and downs . Some more then others but still

xsetx Jul 15 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

your dumb, dexless = 25 base dex.

Torchic Jul 15 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

xsetx said: "Dont listen to orangeking11, dexless is the best way to go. Requires alot of mesos though, 30+ dex zhelm, 30+ dex robe etc. You can wear the same items as a reg dex sin. Plus maple warrior only adds to your base stats, so more in luk = more dmg." But orangesin11 has been on basil for like 2531513 years and he responds to every single thread on sins on basil. lolol I'm going to make a Nightwalker, but I'm not sure whether I want to be dexless or lowdex. :/ I want the best damage possible. I'm not so big on looks because it's easily covered by nx. I mean, if the damage is barely significant if I were to change from dexless to lowdex, I probably wouldn't. Edit* What if I were to be able to get my hands on a 54atk+ Skanda? Would that equal out the luk:watk ratio? o__o;

bleedinhobo 07/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Dexless sins are the best during the first and second advancements. Eventually, in the higher levels, most dexless sins go "Low-Dex" in order to wear some normal dex weapons such as Scarabs. If Dexless sins do not go low-dex, they will eventually be overpowered by reg dex and low-dex sins. I hope I helped you out.

TrampMonkey 07/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

xsetx said: "your dumb, dexless = 25 base dex." DEXless means 25 base DEX with LUK equips to boost their primary stat. Low DEX add to their DEX, whether it's through equips or base, in order to equip the highest level claw possible. Wearing DEX equips with 25 base DEX accomplishes the goal of a low DEX, therefore 25 base DEX + DEX equips = low DEX by definition. Oh, and it's "you're". If you want to insult someone, at least do it in a way that doesn't make you look like a hypocrite.

flare4123 07/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

xsetx said: "your dumb, dexless = 25 base dex." if you buy dex equips to wield current lvl items its LOW DEX dexless wear ONLY LUK equips

xsetx 07/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I uploaded my char for you Torchic, dont listen to these noobs.

Torchic 07/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I think I would still consider any sin with 25 dex dexless because dexless= no dex, regardless of equips. Even as a dexless sin, I could probably somehow find a way to equip higher level claws.

orangeking11 Jul 15 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Torchic said: " But orangesin11 has been on basil for like 2531513 years and he responds to every single thread on sins on basil. lolol I'm going to make a Nightwalker, but I'm not sure whether I want to be dexless or lowdex. :/ I want the best damage possible. I'm not so big on looks because it's easily covered by nx. I mean, if the damage is barely significant if I were to change from dexless to lowdex, I probably wouldn't. Edit* What if I were to be able to get my hands on a 54atk+ Skanda? Would that equal out the luk:watk ratio? o__o;" Then Dexless is best for you, I was just saying it's not best for everyone. xD And to have an equal ratio as a Dexless to a Low/Normal Dex, you'd need more Atk on your Skanda than a Normal/Low Dex do to balance out all the additional Luk you have over them. But it's not like your ratio is gonna be like 10:1 as Normal/Low are 5:1. xD IMO though, the advantage Dexless have over Low/Normal Dex as a NW isn't as important since even though the edge will help early and at bosses, in training, Poison Sling in 3rd can pretty much eliminates any diifference (Poison Sling is based on monster's HP for damage, so a Normal can pretty much train as fast as a Dexless with Poison Sling). xD Edit: If that set guy is trying to prove something by uploading a Lvl 182 NL, remember, it doesn't take a high level to view the calc'ed comparisons and market factors such as prices and availability of Claws to see that Dexless can definitely be caught up to by a Low Dex. xD

Torchic 07/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

orangeking11 said: " Then Dexless is best for you, I was just saying it's not best for everyone. xD And to have an equal ratio as a Dexless to a Low/Normal Dex, you'd need more Atk on your Skanda than a Normal/Low Dex do to balance out all the additional Luk you have over them. But it's not like your ratio is gonna be like 10:1 as Normal/Low are 5:1. xD IMO though, the advantage Dexless have over Low/Normal Dex as a NW isn't as important since even though the edge will help early and at bosses, in training, Poison Sling in 3rd can pretty much eliminates any diifference (Poison Sling is based on monster's HP for damage, so a Normal can pretty much train as fast as a Dexless with Poison Sling). xD Edit: If that set guy is trying to prove something by uploading a Lvl 182 NL, remember, it doesn't take a high level to view the calc'ed comparisons and market factors such as prices and availability of Claws to see that Dexless can definitely be caught up to by a Low Dex. xD" I was always wondering since dexless NWs get 6 AP into luk every level. Doesn't that mean the luk:watk ratio would be more out of balance?

xsetx Jul 16 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

First of all he wasnt talking about cost, he was just asking which is better. Second, if you add into luk more than dex you get 10% from maple warrior which only calculates BASE stats. More you add into Dex, the less you put into luk, the less damage you get from MW. EDIT: If cost isnt an issue you should be able to have more than 120+ Dex with 25 base dex. Just saw a mamba in FM with 72 w.atk. Not enough dmg?

orangeking11 Jul 16 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Torchic said: " I was always wondering since dexless NWs get 6 AP into luk every level. Doesn't that mean the luk:watk ratio would be more out of balance?" Yes. But the 6 AP is only until Lvl 70, then ya go back to 5. But the thing is a Normal/Low Dex NW would also have additional Luk too, so it's not really that much off balanced compared to an Adventurer Dexless and Adventurer Normal/Low Dex ratio. xD Edit: @set: When comparing classes, you can't just base it all off of AP and skills, you need to include equips and their pricing and availability. xD And oh yeah, MW also adds Dex for a Low Dex to even further his/her base Dex or else swap some Dex stat from equips for Luk. If a Dexless gets +60 Luk from MW and a Low Dex gets and efficiently uses 40 Luk and 20 Dex from MW, it's still a potential +60 Luk boost. Ofcourse these are evened numbers, but ya get the idea. xD