Corsairs not good for zak?

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thread starter MJRmutation Jul 14 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ok, im in an alliance with 3 huge guilds, 3 out of 5 guilds have 99 members. and they are always arranging zak runs, and theres 3 or 4 corsairs. but they are never invited. and i saw someone say that they would never invite a sorsair unless they are 150+, when a corsair alone is rare. Corsairs have th ehighest DPM alone with out SE. are corsairs bad for zak?

Bountyan 07/14/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Corsairs do fine at Zak o_O

kak828 07/14/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

the turning point for corsairs is around 140-150+, before that our attacks haven't been maxed out yet, and the ship has a lower hp thus more breakage. Although if on the z-runs they're asking other attacking classes under level 150 to go, then they're just being bias against corsairs since we can still do decent damage once cannon is maxed at 131. or the corsairs in the guilds just suck 0_o'

duskreaper 07/14/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm not going to be using my corsair for bossing until 15x or 16x when I have both maxed RF and bullseye to increase my DPM. Until then I'm sticking with my DrK for its support skills and superior damage on arms. at 13x I've been doing paps and my drk could solo faster when it was at the same level because although the corsair has higher DPM the boat is pretty flimsy and doesn't last more than a couple of minutes

DivineLordDK 07/14/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

duskreaper said: "I'm not going to be using my corsair for bossing until 15x or 16x when I have both maxed RF and bullseye to increase my DPM. Until then I'm sticking with my DrK for its support skills and superior damage on arms. at 13x I've been doing paps and my drk could solo faster when it was at the same level because although the corsair has higher DPM the boat is pretty flimsy and doesn't last more than a couple of minutes" Really dang...I know I was going to try to get as good as possible at mounting and demounting early so i can boss early....as for my skill build i would get 2 cannon adn 1 ship at 120, 121 1cannon,1as,1eb,then max cannon and then do 2 torp and 1ship

duskreaper 07/14/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Dismounting and mounting helps but it wastes a lot of time so it isn't worth doing on every single attack. Zak often time uses 3+ 1/1s in a row and I'd imagine it to be a hassle. I wouldn't know though since i'm not very experienced

darkmirage 07/14/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

lol @ zaks I get chosen over NLs But anyways Corsairs are great @ zak, with an apple I hit ~140k-160k/cannon on zak. I was invited since I was lvl 13x though some people don't like to invite Corsairs due to apple shortage or apple prices. So that may be another reason @.@ I know when apples got inflated I got invited less cause ppl were being cheap with apples and wanted NLs to last 15 minutes instead of just 10 minutes with us so yea.... Btw my boat breaks only once @ zak and that's only when I get stunned then he 1/1s my boat but otherwise my boat almost never breaks @ zak, once you get good at dismounting and mounting your boat can actually last pretty long.

masamunee 07/14/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

darkmirage said: "lol @ zaks I get chosen over NLs But anyways Corsairs are great @ zak, with an apple I hit ~140k-160k/cannon on zak. I was invited since I was lvl 13x though some people don't like to invite Corsairs due to apple shortage or apple prices. So that may be another reason @.@ I know when apples got inflated I got invited less cause ppl were being cheap with apples and wanted NLs to last 15 minutes instead of just 10 minutes with us so yea.... Btw my boat breaks only once @ zak and that's only when I get stunned then he 1/1s my boat but otherwise my boat almost never breaks @ zak, once you get good at dismounting and mounting your boat can actually last pretty long." I imagine that if the ship works similar to regular buffs, you can force dismount it when you get stunned. Right click on the boat symbol before the attack comes in.

orangeking11 07/14/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Pun, go solo Zak already. xD But speaking about Apples, that's the thing. People tend to like getting more for the same, even if it means you lose a bit of DPM. Remember the old ME method? Yeah, a Hermit + Apple won't outDPM a MEing CB. ME runs used to go as low as being under 10 mins, but in the end, the cheaper method came out on top. xD Plus there's reliability. Until more organizers get more experience with Corsairs that can do a good job, they'll probably be more open to letting other Corsairs in. There are many NLs, Heroes, and BMs compared to Corsairs, so it's easy for run organizers to get some into their runs and see that those jobs can do a good job. It just takes time to get recognition. xD

MJRmutation 07/14/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

darkmirage said: "lol @ zaks I get chosen over NLs But anyways Corsairs are great @ zak, with an apple I hit ~140k-160k/cannon on zak. I was invited since I was lvl 13x though some people don't like to invite Corsairs due to apple shortage or apple prices. So that may be another reason @.@ I know when apples got inflated I got invited less cause ppl were being cheap with apples and wanted NLs to last 15 minutes instead of just 10 minutes with us so yea.... Btw my boat breaks only once @ zak and that's only when I get stunned then he 1/1s my boat but otherwise my boat almost never breaks @ zak, once you get good at dismounting and mounting your boat can actually last pretty long." yeah, ive seen yoru damage at HHG and its pretty high. its weird that no one would accept a corsair thats under lvl 140, when theres only about 10 corsairs that are lvl 140+. nto very many to chose from.

MochiMonku54 07/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Corsair's arn't no good in zak. In all bosses their fine, just as any other class. Zak is the easiest boss we can fight that 1/1's (besides maybe 1st body pap) so you can't complain. My sair is 147 and I hit 20k's easy w/ apple and I can do 30k's w/ SE (though thats not as common, also I only have lvl 1 BE). The real problem is how much lag you have and what level you are. I didn't like going zak on my sair until I had maxed ship, cannon, AND rapid fire because w/o RF, you can't really do much once your ship breaks. Besides, ppl have been saying I'm good for spawn control (AS), since it can OHKO a lot and also lures monsters so you don't have to go up. Zak is just the first problem that will show up in later bosses as well, HT and PB, which is the 1/1 that they do. The more HP we need for the boss the less sairs are effective because the ship will break faster. If you want to boss, make sure its higher levels like 14x-16x because you'll need those levels to be able to have the skills you need, unlike a NL that only needs TT(30) and SC(30) = 19 lvls(only if you wanted to MAX SC, lvl one would be sufficient for zak). Sair would want Ship(10), Cannon(30), RF(30), BE(20) = 29 lvls(BE makes it so you can do more dmg and ignore mob, you only need lvl 1, but maxing it lets you do more dmg).

frei468 07/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I still don't even have a point into rf on my corsair, and I get invited to zak quite a bit. Being lvl 160 may have something to do with that though. I was able to outdamage a lvl 169 nl too. I generally break my ship once. It happens on the arms because I tank every hit. Avoiding attacks on the arms would be silly because you would have to dismount pretty much right when you mount. Other than that, I generally don't break my ship during except on longer runs. As for damage, I think somewhere in the 31k area with and apple and somewhere around 42k with max se. I don't really pay attention to my damage.

Efemera Jul 15 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

MochiMonku54 said: "Corsair's arn't no good in zak. In all bosses their fine, just as any other class. Zak is the easiest boss we can fight that 1/1's (besides maybe 1st body pap) so you can't complain. My sair is 147 and I hit 20k's easy w/ apple and I can do 30k's w/ SE (though thats not as common, also I only have lvl 1 BE). The real problem is how much lag you have and what level you are. I didn't like going zak on my sair until I had maxed ship, cannon, AND rapid fire because w/o RF, you can't really do much once your ship breaks. Besides, ppl have been saying I'm good for spawn control (AS), since it can OHKO a lot and also lures monsters so you don't have to go up. Zak is just the first problem that will show up in later bosses as well, HT and PB, which is the 1/1 that they do. The more HP we need for the boss the less sairs are effective because the ship will break faster. If you want to boss, make sure its higher levels like 14x-16x because you'll need those levels to be able to have the skills you need, unlike a NL that only needs TT(30) and SC(30) = 19 lvls(only if you wanted to MAX SC, lvl one would be sufficient for zak). Sair would want Ship(10), Cannon(30), RF(30), BE(20) = 29 lvls(BE makes it so you can do more dmg and ignore mob, you only need lvl 1, but maxing it lets you do more dmg)." Your ship shouldn't be breaking more than twice in a typical 20-30 minute Zak, so it's not really necessary to have Rapid Fire. Are you healing to full HP after every hit or something? I use Ginger Ales to heal to 3300 so the 1/1s don't bother me.

DivineLordDK 07/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Efemera said: " Your ship shouldn't be breaking more than twice in a typical 20-30 minute Zak, so it's not really necessary to have Rapid Fire. Are you healing to full HP after every hit or something? I use Ginger Ales to heal to 3300 so the 1/1s don't bother me." I don't understand what you mean? IF your on you ship and zak does 1/1 doesnt the ship go down to one hp aswell?

sleepyxdude 07/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

DivineLordDK said: " I don't understand what you mean? IF your on you ship and zak does 1/1 doesnt the ship go down to one hp aswell?" no, your ship just takes the damage you did. So if you have 4k hp, zakum does 1/1, your ship takes 3999 damage