Paladin vs Hero FACTS

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thread starter RJ1228 Jul 09 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

The Characters Assume they have the same equips/stats Case 1. Level:140 Class:Paladin Weapon:2H Sword Skills:Max ACB/Max Holy/Max Blast/1 Rush/1 stray point Case2: Level:140 Class:Hero Weapon:2H Sword Skills:Max ACA/Max Brandish/1 rush/1 stray point Mob Percentages Lets say Skeles.Paladin is using Holy charge and Hero is using Brandish with ACA orbs filled. Also these are single hits. 1 Mob- Paladin w/Blast=1155% Hero w/Brandish-988% 2 Mob Paladin w/ACB=735% x 2 = 1,470% Hero w/Brandish=988% x2 = 1,976% 3 Mob Paladin w/ACB=735% x 3 = 2,205% Hero w/Brandish=988% x 3 = 2,964% 4 Mob Paladin w/ACB=735% x 4 = 2,940% Hero w/Brandish=988% x 3 = 2,964% 5 Mob Paladin w/ACB=735% x 5 = 3,675% Hero w/Brandish=988% x 3 = 2,964% 6 Mob Paladin w/ACB=735% x 6 = 4,410% Hero w/Brandish=988% x 3 = 2,964% If you notice at 4 mob the Hero still has a higher damage % but only his 3 monsters while Paladin hits 4 monsters. so by the time the hero kills the first 3, the 4th mob for Paladin will/almost be dead. Now Paladins win at 1 mob, 4 mob, 5 mob, 6 mob. Heros win at 2 mob, 3 mob Singe Hit Percentages on Bosses Paladin will be using Blast with Holy or the bosses element weakness. As for Heros they will be using Brandish W/ACA orbs filled Starting from level 100 bosses Crimson Balrog(holy weak) Winner:Paladin Holy Blast=1155% Brandish=988% Headless Horseman(lightning weak) Winner:Paladin Lightning Blast=1031.25% Brandish=988% Griffey(poison weak) Winner:Hero Holy Blast=770% Brandish=988% Manon(ice weak) Winner:Hero Ice Blast=866.25 Brandish=988% Bigfoot(fire weak) Winner=Paladin Fire Blast=990% Brandish=988% Pianus(fire weak) Winner=Paladin Fire Blast=990% Brandish=988% Black Crow(lightning weak) Winner:Paladin Lightning Blast=1031.25% Brandish=988% Papulatus(neutral) Winner:Hero Holy Blast=770% Brandish=988% Anego(Lightning/Holy weak) Winner:Paladin Holy Blast=1155% Brandish=988% Zakum/Zakum arm 1,2,5,6,7,8(neutral) Winner:Hero Holy Blast=770% Brandish=988% Zakum arm 3(ice weak) Winner:Hero Ice Blast=866.25 Brandish=988% Zakum arm 4(fire weak) Winner=Paladin Fire Blast=990% Brandish=988% Bodyguard A(fire weak) Winner=Paladin Fire Blast=990% Brandish=988% Bodyguard B(ice weak) Winner:Hero Ice Blast=866.25 Brandish=988% The Boss(fire weak) Winner=Paladin Fire Blast=990% Brandish=988% Horntail(neutral) Winner:Hero Holy Blast=770% Brandish=988% Pink Been(Lightning neutral/resist neutral) Winner:Paladin Lightning Blast=687.5% Brandish=494%(QFT?) Heros are better at the 2 big bosses while Paladins are better at most mini bosses. Extra -Against fire weak bosses, I would consider it equal but statistic wise, Paladins win because of the 2% -Post doesn't include"what if factors" such as what if you hit a Hime instead of Crow, or what if you get stunned or miss the monster. -I don't include ALL skills because factoring in if they do/do not have the skill would take too much time. example:If he/she has threaten, if he/she has FA. Thats already 4 factors, add in another thats 8 fac

ajk9400 07/09/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Yay I hope this would shut up some Paladin haters

kirayamato26 07/09/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

NO, NO, and NO while on paper, stats might say paladins ARE stronger, in reality, they do NOT kill ANY faster than heroes i tested this out today in a practical test, skeles mini dungeon, ks war against my lvl 159 dexless hero friend, who doesn't even have any equips minus a 121/6 lunchbox he did worse than i expected, but he wasn't killing ANY slower than i am in fact, even on mobs of 4, i was getting ksed ._. mobs of 6 were practically impossible to find, cuz he just kills off 3 of them, and i can't rush for a mob and when i can finally find a mob TO rush, by the time rush finishes casting, 3/6 r dead already so in practicality, heroes r actually on par, or better than, paladins now, for bosses some bosses like BF, have a really bad hitbox, so paladins can't hit it as much physically as heroes can, and therefore WILL lose on DPM oh yeah, don't forget about zakum, heroes hit 3 arms at once commonly, while paladins hit 1, or 3 max, usually 2 with ACB

bridgey07 07/09/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ajk9400 said: "Yay I hope this would shut up some Paladin haters " And hopefully some Paladin whiners. Really though, on fire-weak bosses I say that's when funding comes into play, since it's only 2% difference.

yanno Jul 09 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

OH MY GOD! This is AMAZING! It totally shows that Paladins and Heroes are pretty balanced! I LOVEEEE YOUUUU Edit: Pretty balanced in damage percentage wise, I don't mean everything else, like dps and dpm.

zero00z 07/09/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

well paladin wins with 2% more so thats not a diff

bridgey07 07/09/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

yanno said: "OH MY GOD! This is AMAZING! It totally shows that Paladins and Heroes are pretty balanced! I LOVEEEE YOUUUU Edit: Pretty balanced in damage percentage wise, I don't mean everything else, like dps and dpm." As Kira said, It's just on paper though.

magicguy8989 07/09/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

wouldnt the stats be slightly different b/c of attacking speeds?

kirayamato26 07/09/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

magicguy8989 said: "wouldnt the stats be slightly different b/c of attacking speeds?" they have the EXACT same attacking speeds but yeah, this is just on paper in practicality, heroes r in fact, much better ._. im not hating on my class, nor do i regret being a paladin but im just pointing out facts that need to be pointed out

DanishDude1 07/09/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Most of it is only 100%-200% which can easily be made up for with equips and character control. The fact that Heroes hit 3 of Zakum's Arms is hard to make up for tho.

Mancartia Jul 09 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I got some corrections to make: Pianus, Bigfoot, Bodyguard A, The Boss: Nobody "wins". The difference between 988% and 990% is so small that in a 3 hour boss fight, it would take the Hero 21 seconds longer. In a 15 minute fight, that's a little more than 1 second longer. At that point you have to have less than 2 difference in STR, and exactly identical w.atk, or whoever is better geared wins. Pink Been: He does not resist neutral. So it's 687% vs. 988%. There's some rumour about a "neutral resistance" but unfortunately for Paladins (and AMs) it doesn't actually exist. What does that leave? 7 bosses the Hero wins (including Zakum, HT, and PB), 4 bosses that are equal, and 4 bosses where the Paladin is stronger (1 of which has 100k HP )

yanno 07/09/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

bridgey07 said: " As Kira said, It's just on paper though." I know, I meant that it was pretty balanced in paper.

bridgey07 07/09/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

yanno said: " I know, I meant that it was pretty balanced in paper." Oh, Sorry about that then! :D

starwolf 07/09/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

bridgey07 said: " As Kira said, It's just on paper though." Her way of testing was 'being in a KS war against a Hero'. I'm sorry but i don't call that a legit way of testing who is truely better. My opinon, Who cares, let people whine or think they are the best. I'm going to play the class i like to play.

MegaCamm 07/09/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

And the fact that Blast is much slower than brandish in my experiences (correct me if im mistaken)