Is the gunslinger tree overpowered?

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thread starter emobunny Jul 04 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I was just looking at a dpm comparison between the classes, and I was amazed at the dpm of corsairs. In terms of solo bossing, the corsairs beat the 2nd highest job, bm, by quite a long shot. But not only do the corsairs have good 1v1 damage, they've also got a couple nice mob attacks, notably torpedo and air strike. And mobility with recoil shot. Their 3rd job isn't so shabby either with freeze, summons, and a powerful 1v1 attack. So, do you guys think the hell levels from 10-70 (which are fairly easy to attain, from my experiences) is enough to balance the class out? Discuss, comment, flame, whatever.

Tatufiuz 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

emobunny said: " Just how high is their hp? I always thought they were on the same tier as bm/mm/nl." Well it's not ridicilously higher than ours, or maybe it is. I can't really tell from the damage range thread whether people are wearing HP gear, but my level 127 unwashed Bowmaster has a bit under 3600 HP WITH 300-ish HP MoN and a 80 HP Zakum helmet. The Corsairs of my level have around 200-300 more HP than I do.

Pyrolakitu Jul 04 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Yes, because Gunslingers are bad. Outlaws and Corsairs are great, but Gunslingers are ish. And so are F/P's, I realised. They've got no mobbing and I'm bored. Really bored. >_>

omgltzkenny Jul 04 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Kyeh said: "In the field, they are equal to or inferior to bowman in solo bossing. But they are really fun IMO." In the field? Last time I checked you're always "in a field". Unless you can explain why, you're just pulling random statements out of your crack.

Efemera Jul 04 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

bored321 said: "First of all, if anyone can make it to mid-Level Outlaw or even Corsair, without any leech, they deserve that great damage. 2nd, Battleship has its own HP, and it has a cooldown after it breaks. So then they have to rely on a 2nd rate skill, Rapid Fire. 3rd, Corsairs get no buffs at all from 2nd job to 4th job (other than the obvious skills)." "I suffered through 2nd job" is a terrible justification for being godly in 4th job. It's not true, either. Corsairs are made for power. We have really high numbers on paper, but we don't have the avoid and the defensive and support skills that a lot of other classes have. Nearly all of our skills are attacks, or upgrades to...attacks. A good example of where pure offense has problems is soloing Pap. NLs can Dark Sight and archers can Puppet to solo Pap before they can pin him. Corsairs have to bring their damage high enough so they can constantly hit 12ks. Otherwise it's pretty tricky to pull off.

natedoggydog 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Tatufiuz said: " Their HP is way higher than other ranged classes, and their mobility isn't half bad either." Its not way higher, its only about 300 hp more give or take.

IceColdShield 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Efemera said: " "I suffered through 2nd job" is a terrible justification for being godly in 4th job. It's not true, either. Corsairs are made for power. We have really high numbers on paper, but we don't have the avoid and the defensive and support skills that a lot of other classes have. Nearly all of our skills are attacks, or upgrades to...attacks. A good example of where pure offense has problems is soloing Pap. NLs can Dark Sight and archers can Puppet to solo Pap before they can pin him. Corsairs have to bring their damage high enough so they can constantly hit 12ks. Otherwise it's pretty tricky to pull off." I agree. If you just like pure DPM, Corsairs are really good, but if you like the other stuff like avoid, high HP, HP/MP recovering, etc, there are other jobs that are very very good in those areas. I think some people think Corsairs are overpowered because they focus too much on just DPM. :P

WonderStrucK 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I leeched from lvl 40 to 102. Plan to be 108 by tonight after 3 hour of 2x event. Yayyyyyyy?

dicari11 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

xxxd3athxxx said: " Not really crap, but slow in training compared to others due to the fact that they only have one good mobbing skill, Invisible Shot, and it only hits 3 monsters." Torpedo, Air Strike

Joshseow 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

WonderStrucK said: "I leeched from lvl 40 to 102. Plan to be 108 by tonight after 3 hour of 2x event. Yayyyyyyy?" *looks at the guy who's having issues from 110-120* -facepalm- *starts rant about leeching*

IceColdShield 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

dicari11 said: " Torpedo, Air Strike" Strong mobbing skills isn't the only factor in leveling fast. Shadowers train faster than any other weapon class and their mobbing skill isn't really amazing in damage (it's comparable to a Hero's Brandish, but it has a delay).

xiaoyulu 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

that chart is all theory. -sairs off ship sucks -if a sair needs to constant mount/dismount the damage would also suck -because sairs NEED to freeze when killing 2hko turns into 3hko and so on -ships cant climb ropes, and have 80% speed. its like its stuck in 1 place -bm > sair w.o bullseye which would = training -torp3do cant track, shoots in a straight line. -sairs have no party skills and sucks @ bosses like zak / ht because of the constant damage.

ari141 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

dicari11 said: " Torpedo, Air Strike" He was talking second job, lul. Anywho, ship isn't really much of a disadvantage. Figure in that you can dismount right before an attack (and most, if not all bosses give huge warning signs before they attack), and that they fixed battleship so that it has the same cooldown for every level, and you've got a nice little safety net. More or less, it's the same as a Bucc utilizing invincibility frames. As for the HP issue, my Corsair has 3,699 HP with a 300 HP MoN and an 80 HP Zhelm (and it's not HP washed, either). Not a huge gap in HP when compared to the other ranged classes.

Tatufiuz 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

natedoggydog said: " Its not way higher, its only about 300 hp more give or take." *Points at my second post* Still, I wouldn't say no for extra 300HP :D

WonderStrucK 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Joshseow said: " *looks at the guy who's having issues from 110-120* -facepalm- *starts rant about leeching*" Naw yo, ima leech to 200. npnp

JadeFeng96 Jul 04 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ari141 said: "He was talking second job, lul. Anywho, ship isn't really much of a disadvantage. Figure in that you can dismount right before an attack (and most, if not all bosses give huge warning signs before they attack), and that they fixed battleship so that it has the same cooldown for every level, and you've got a nice little safety net. More or less, it's the same as a Bucc utilizing invincibility frames. As for the HP issue, my Corsair has 3,699 HP with a 300 HP MoN and an 80 HP Zhelm (and it's not HP washed, either). Not a huge gap in HP when compared to the other ranged classes." Less?