Dexless Vs Non Dexless

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thread starter DivineSoul7 Jun 29 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Im am wondering which is stronger i have many sides to this story but i wanna hear more in my opinion non-dexless are the strongest but that is only when 120+ comes around Now i wanna hear from you

NiteTyme 06/30/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

i really wonder... i plan on sticking to dexless aaaaaaall the way through if we REALLY go the distance on just how much stronger is low dex then a dexless (we agree that reg dex isnt much of a competition when low dex starts to over take dexless right?) why is it that this dexless sin cant get a night raven claw (or dark raven....whatever that 10x DEXLESS CLAW is called) and scroll it if we manage to get a perfect everything and drop it on a dexless is it really impossible for that dexless to not stay strongest all the way through to 200? (somebody will probably say not everybody will get that claw) eventually....give it a year or 2...if its accessible its possible...just like illbis...not everybody had one but eventually all do and it will become part of a regular build luck though becomes more numerous to keep up with W.ATT at the end its still really really really high on a dexless because you have so much more luck then a regular sin does (and lowdex because 50 luck lost is like 4 attack) i dont disagree...the majority of lowdex in the end will out dpm the dexless...but its very possible for dexless to stick to being number 1 all the way through...JUST saying

aznboy808 06/30/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

will i heard that if you are really funded dexless wins, like if they have a 7att fs and 55-60att skanda and 10att pac luk robe luk earrings they would prolly win.

DJMad7 06/30/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Fizeh said: "There are dexless sins that are funded enough to get enough dex for rabs. I would think that they could get enough dex for a timeless claw. 50 dex robe, 25+ dex zhelm, 20 dex black snowshoes, 15 dex earrings, 20 dex pants. That should be enough." Pfft, like someone really has a 50 Dex Robe other than those Maple-Billionaires, -_-

DarkQuill 06/30/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Fizeh said: " I would think that they could get enough dex for a timeless claw. 50 dex robe, 25+ dex zhelm, 20 dex black snowshoes, 15 dex earrings, 20 dex pants. That should be enough." Not enough Dex still. 20 points short. Frankly, they're overpowered and deserve to have their skill forumlas reworked. Every other class in Maplestory puts up with face-value damage percentages, no hidden bonus crap. Sins should be no different. They should be the weaker but faster attackers they were meant to be. That said, they still can't take a hit, lols.

imaalex 06/30/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

reg sin=fail

XDevilDogs 06/30/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

about what dex do they need to really be in order for them to actually not mumble about and wonder if they're reg dex or low dex? cause i have it capped at 100 n i am not really sure which side i lean more to... but i have everything luk eqp so my dmgs are pretty good.. but what's the point if they ask you, "What are you?" and to be really low dex, how low should i cap it at?

DarkQuill 06/30/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

XDevilDogs said: "i am not really sure which side i lean more to" You shouldn't care. You've got Dex for the equips that YOU want to wear, that's good enough, no? Screw what others think. Play your character only for yourself.

BabyWalk 06/30/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

aznboy808 said: "will i heard that if you are really funded dexless wins, like if they have a 7att fs and 55-60att skanda and 10att pac luk robe luk earrings they would prolly win." I agree with you, it's the problem of w.atk over luk or luk over w.atk. If both of them have a lot of w.atk, then luk becomes more important and dexless wins, vice versa. In fact, with the popularity of MoN and chaosed PAC & FS, I believe dexless sin stays good at very high level.

aznboy808 06/30/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

yea or lowdex and dexless equals the same.

chaamirski 06/30/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I believe that low dex out numbers dexless even at the lower levels.My low dex character can hit 500 with L7( most lvl 35 sins cant even hit that much even with critical throw)and dexless hit about 300-400 with Steelies so low dex is better at lower levels to - i only throw icies to- :p

Jaredx3 07/01/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

orangeking11 said: " Those guys using 6x Claws need to upgrade though. 53 Atk Skanda is +20 on the avg. Skanda base. You only need +10 Atk for an avg. D. Sleve to get to 60 Atk. xD Edit: I personally use a 56 atk, 5 slot Claw (I'll finish when I feel like it). So even I (poor) have access to a 6x Claw. xD" If you do a direct damage comparison and run the numbers, a 63 attack claw on a low-DEX will be equivalent to around a 43 attack Skanda on a DEXless. The extra LUK we have makes a huge difference, even at high level. In particular, at bosses where apples are used, DEXless will always hit higher numbers because our extra LUK allows our LUK/W.att ratio to even out a lot closer than of other builds. TT benefits much from this. There's more to consider than training ranges.

bubba127 07/01/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

PhilxPP said: " Sweet, Maple now allows pants to be worn with an overall." You're funny. There's a glitch using NX where you can wear pants with an overall and overall NX.

toothydip 07/01/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

@Jaredx3 Finally a dexless NL who can back themselves up. Good job.

shadowstrike 07/01/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Jaredx3 said: " If you do a direct damage comparison and run the numbers, a 63 attack claw on a low-DEX will be equivalent to around a 43 attack Skanda on a DEXless. The extra LUK we have makes a huge difference, even at high level. In particular, at bosses where apples are used, DEXless will always hit higher numbers because our extra LUK allows our LUK/W.att ratio to even out a lot closer than of other builds. TT benefits much from this. There's more to consider than training ranges." Oh wow, I'm learning alot from this thread. I, also, am a dexless NL lvl 137. And I often wonder why it is that I outdamage most low dex NL's despite all the fame that they're given. Also, I never really got to think how important it was for me to get a chaos'ed PAC and FS as 1 W.atk = 6.53 luk for me at my lvl. This will only keep going higher as the levels progress. Therefore, by getting really godly atk equipments with the money I would rather spend by converting low dex, I could become much much stronger than most low dex NL's, even those who are clearly richer than me. YAy, I can stay dexless and feel good about it.... until timeless weapons start to become accessible to all. Good thing PB will never be defeated and those things will be like impossible to forge :D

hongyu1230 Jul 01 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

shadowstrike said: " Oh wow, I'm learning alot from this thread. I, also, am a dexless NL lvl 137. And I often wonder why it is that I outdamage most low dex NL's despite all the fame that they're given. Also, I never really got to think how important it was for me to get a chaos'ed PAC and FS as 1 W.atk = 6.53 luk for me at my lvl. This will only keep going higher as the levels progress. Therefore, by getting really godly atk equipments with the money I would rather spend by converting low dex, I could become much much stronger than most low dex NL's, even those who are clearly richer than me. YAy, I can stay dexless and feel good about it.... until timeless weapons start to become accessible to all. Good thing PB will never be defeated and those things will be like impossible to forge :D" you don't need to reverse weapons can be made in a matter of weeks pb can be defeated by hackers and then they simply sell the drops to make timeless weapons