Dragon Claymore vs. Stonetooth Sword

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thread starter 3ternal3xil3 Jun 27 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Hi. I'm currently using a 113 atk 8 str Stonetooth, but I was wondering if I should get this 120 atk 7 str Dragon Claymore for 70mil. Does the speed make up for that 7 atk disparity?

yyfung94 06/27/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

nope, it actually wouldnt.

taleko Jun 27 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ST would win, especially if you train with rage or any sort of att equips, i.e. gloves, cape So easy to see i couldnt be bothered to do any calcs dont listen to the pirate above me, he's lost and confused

llazar 06/27/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

taleko said: "ST would win, especially if you train with rage or any sort of att equips, i.e. gloves, cape So easy to see i couldnt be bothered to do any calcs dont listen to the pirate above me, he's lost and confused" In the middle of the stormy sea...on a ship...with lots and lots of dirty men...mmmm...

Rdndede 06/27/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

the speed difference might be a little too much for claymore

Gillan 06/27/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I would say No, Its really your choice of choosing speed over Damage which many people strive for to have high damage. On the good side that Claymore seems pretty cheap and you will hit more of course. I have had both equips but Claymore with + 2 atk difference and honestly i dont see a difference.

taleko Jun 27 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Gilligan said: "I would say No, Its really your choice of choosing speed over Damage which many people strive for to have high damage. On the good side that Claymore seems pretty cheap and you will hit more of course. I have had both equips but Claymore with + 2 atk difference and honestly i dont see a difference." for GODS SAKE THESE NIBS WITH NO IDEA SHOULD NOT GIVE ADVICE! oh poop now i need to do math. @below factor in 12att from equips (very reasonable for the TS) and 12 att from rage too (as a crusader do you not train with it?) then see how it works out 127att speed 6 sword to match a 113 speed 5 sword with 24 extra att from equips/pots/rage. in terms of DPM

supereric317 Jun 27 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

it would take like a 124 att dragon claymore to beat the ST's DPM..

Phaxen 06/27/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Get a 135 atk stone tooth.

superjames 06/27/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

supereric317 said: "it would take like a 124 att dragon claymore to beat the ST's DPM.." a bit more cause he uses a atk glove atk pac too assuming

3ternal3xil3 06/27/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

So in terms of efficiency, I should stick by my Stonetooth. I'm not quite sure what you guys are saying about factoring attack from rage and my equips. If my PAC is 2 attack and glove is 8 along with a MoN, what does this mean?

taleko 06/27/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

3ternal3xil3 said: "So in terms of efficiency, I should stick by my Stonetooth. I'm not quite sure what you guys are saying about factoring attack from rage and my equips. If my PAC is 2 attack and glove is 8 along with a MoN, what does this mean?" even more reason to use the ST then when you look at your att range that is the sum of all your att equips, so when we have to compare training efficiency of weapons we need to know what else you have on. i'll show you quickly 113att St (we'll shave off the extra str point its not that important) x 1.1042 (speed advanage of the St to the whatever you were using)= attspeed 6 weapon required to out dpm the St 113 ST x 1.1042 = 124.776 att Claymore require or factor in your real setup 12 att rage + 8att glove + 2 att cape+ 10 att mon (assume average) = 32att extra (i forgot about the MON when i said 24att in a previous post) 113ST+32att =145att ST setup now same formula 145 x 1.1042 = 160att claymore setup required 160att claymore - 32att (common equips) = 128 att claymore required to out dpm your 113 ST not bad for a 113 ST

yyfung94 06/28/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

im a pirate? D= i said the st would win...

ZemekisFenix 06/28/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

The speed makes up for the 7 attack easily, but first keep in mind also whether you can transfer some equips away from dex and to strength (this could compensate a few more attack possibly), and also consider what you could get out of a 1h or NRW setup as well. I'm not sure what NRWs cost now relative to Ribgols. The sole exception is with SI. If you had a constantly partied Pirate job with SI then the speed advantage is gone and Claymore would universally win. But I doubt there are enough 4th job pirates for you to always or even frequently have one partied.

kirayamato26 06/28/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

taleko said: " even more reason to use the ST then when you look at your att range that is the sum of all your att equips, so when we have to compare training efficiency of weapons we need to know what else you have on. i'll show you quickly 113att St (we'll shave off the extra str point its not that important) x 1.1042 (speed advanage of the St to the whatever you were using)= attspeed 6 weapon required to out dpm the St 113 ST x 1.1042 = 124.776 att Claymore require or factor in your real setup 12 att rage + 8att glove + 2 att cape+ 10 att mon (assume average) = 32att extra (i forgot about the MON when i said 24att in a previous post) 113ST+32att =145att ST setup now same formula 145 x 1.1042 = 160att claymore setup required 160att claymore - 32att (common equips) = 128 att claymore required to out dpm your 113 ST not bad for a 113 ST" some things to point out that r wrong 90/82 (fast 5 over normal) gives 1.09 something, not 1.1042 therefore a 113 atk ST is equal to a 124.02439024390243902439024390244 atk claymore then if he had 32 atk from other things, it would be 159.14634146341463414634146341463, rounds to 159 attack which is a 127 attack claymore, however, u gotta factor in other things such as STR gain from the claymore by switching out dex gear, therefore, overall, i'd say that a 123 ~ 125 claymore would have the same DPM as a 113 ST however, TS, if u can kill in 1 less hit constantly with the claymore, go for it, training is about the least hits per kill, not highest DPM