Night Ravens Wing VS Stone Tooth

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thread starter cuccoslayer Jun 17 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

with both weapons being the same spd which would have the advantage over the other. Both would have the same stats or close to the same and the user would be a WK. This is also in the perspective of being an end game weapon for my WK. So just list what advantages each have over the other or just say which one would win for end game weapons with the same stats. Thanks for the help

infferrno 06/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Erm.. aren't they the same atk and speed? So then choose the one that is more cost effective.

bentley3 06/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

NRW i believe because lower dex req

skye09 Jun 17 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

If they are scrolled for the same attack, then both weapons are equal in DPM, however, it should be noted that due to the rarity of NRWs and the recent box event, an ST is likely to cost significantly less than a similarly scrolled NRW.

iizetsumei 06/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

1.) They are the same speed, but NOT the same attack. Infact, I believe ST has on average, 5 more attack. The question mainly comes down to the Dex requirement of the ST, versus the lower Dex requirement of the NRW but a lower attack. First of all, if you can easily achieve the 120 required Dex of the ST, then I advise your use the ST. I've done some basic calculations, and it seems that wielding a ST is better than wielding a NRW in almost all cases. But I'm not positive yet, as I'm still putting the final touches on my calculations.

k0ekenbakker 06/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

well a ST with the same stats as a NRW is A LOT cheaper, so with the spare money you can buy other equips. therefore IMO ST>NRW

iizetsumei Jun 17 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

skye09 said: "If they are scrolled for the same attack, the NRW has the speed advantage, however, it should be noted that due to the rarity of NRWs and the recent box event, an ST is likely to cost significantly less than a similarly scrolled NRW." Just a question, where did it say that NRW has the speed advantage? I'm fairly certain they are both Fast-5.

skye09 06/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

iizetsumei said: " Just a question, where did see that NRW has the speed advantage? I'm fairly certain they are both Fast-5." Let me edit that. I honestly dont even know why I said that since I know theyre both fast-5.....O____o

iizetsumei 06/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Hm, wouldn't the high quantity of available STs also lower NRW prices, instead of raising them? If we view it as an economics problems, and set ST as a substitute good to NRW, as well as a superior good, then naturally the increase of the quantity of ST would cause a drop in price in both NRW and ST. It's like 60G iPods vs 30G iPods. Now that 60Gs dropped in price, would it make sense for the 30Gs to remain the same price, and higher than the 60Gs? One would predict that the price of the 30Gs would also drop accordingly, to match the price change of the 60Gs.

skye09 06/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

iizetsumei said: "Hm, wouldn't the high quantity of available STs also lower NRW prices, instead of raising them? If we view it as an economics problems, and set ST as a substitute good to NRW, as well as a superior good, then naturally the increase of the quantity of ST would cause a drop in price in both NRW and ST. It's like 60G iPods vs 30G iPods. Now that 60Gs dropped in price, would it make sense for the 30Gs to remain the same price, and higher than the 60Gs? One would predict that the price of the 30Gs would also drop accordingly, to match the price change of the 60Gs." The Ipod thing is a bad example, for you see if we compare the space to W.atk, then your example can not apply where the weapon attack is the same. For example lets say that instead of a 60GB ipod coming out, a new 30GB ipod comes out with better battery life ( or some random feature that can be considered "better" ), but is a limited edition. Which would cost more? Think about it like this, if the weapon attack is the same, and the speed is the same, what is the difference? The Dex requirement. Requiring a lower Dex will make the NRW more valuable since that allows the user to maximize their damage but using more strength based items. Also, rarity is another factor. Since the RW can only come from Gachapon, and NRWs can only be forged, this makes them rarer, and harder to get. So a nicely scrolled one would cost even more. Its a similar situation to back when the ST was the only high level fast-5 weapon.

iizetsumei 06/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

skye09 said: " The Ipod thing is a bad example, for you see if we compare the space to W.atk, then your example can not apply where the weapon attack is the same. For example lets say that instead of a 60GB ipod coming out, a new 30GB ipod comes out with better battery life ( or some random feature that can be considered "better" ), but is a limited edition. Which would cost more? Think about it like this, if the weapon attack is the same , and the speed is the same, what is the difference? The Dex requirement. Requiring a lower Dex will make the NRW more valuable since that allows the user to maximize their damage but using more strength based items. Also, rarity is another factor. Since the RW can only come from Gachapon, and NRWs can only be forged, this makes them rarer, and harder to get. So a nicely scrolled one would cost even more. Its a similar situation to back when the ST was the only high level fast-5 weapon." I agree mostly with what you're saying, but the problem is they are NOT equal. In fact, most STs have significantly more W.ATK than any NRW out there. Clean, the ST already has a 5 Atk advantage. As for the Dex Requirement difference, the extra attack of the ST easily makes up for it and in the long run, the ST still outdamages the NRW.

cuccoslayer 06/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

well thanks for the help. im also willing to trade a 118atk 10str beheader for a 113-114 atk ST. anyone interested can leave a post here and ill get bak to u asap. or u can offer me mesos. also selling a 101atk 9str doombringer if anyone is interested for 15mil

skye09 Jun 18 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

iizetsumei said: " I agree mostly with what you're saying, but the problem is they are NOT equal. In fact, most STs have significantly more W.ATK than any NRW out there. Clean, the ST already has a 5 Atk advantage. As for the Dex Requirement difference, the extra attack of the ST easily makes up for it and in the long run, the ST still outdamages the NRW." Im talking about when scrolled equally , like a 115 ST vs a 115 NRW ( which is where the Dex difference will come in; when they are scrolled equally ), not starting out equally. And even if they did start equally, what do you think the current price is on a 101 ST and a 101 NRW? Edit - I doubt you will get anything for the behead, its way too slow to be worth much, especially that high of an ST.

Toto10 06/18/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I have made a thread like this before and ST wins overall, even with few w. att higher on ST to cover the higher dex requirement. 25 dex sounds like 5 w. att, but technically it is not and when apples kick in, ST benefits more from apples. Calculations were done by Senyain, one of the gurus in warrior section, but vanished from Basil a month or two ago, probably due to school projects, and also some ppl keep making threads with the same questions over and over again, without reading stickies and some flaming wars between Heroes and Paladins back then. I was reading the forum everyday back then and our section looked stupid with the threads that came out... So to summarize, ST wins even with w. att that give same DPM, due to apples (unless you tell me you dont expect to use any apple till level 200).

skye09 06/18/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Toto10 said: " So to summarize, ST wins even with w. att that give same DPM, due to apples (unless you tell me you dont expect to use any apple till level 200)." If we have two 2handed weapons with the same attack and the same speed ( NRW and ST ), one requires 95 DEX and the other requires 120 DEX, which would win?