Warrior, Fighter, Crusader builds, build concept.

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thread starter sonny2000 Jun 10 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

hi, im making this character, a soon to be hero, it is at lv98 atm. i want your opinions on how i am building him (skills) because i wan to do something atm and some feedback from experienced warriors would be nice. Note: This was not the order that i used to raise the skills. First Job: Swordman. Improving HP recovery : 10 points Improving max HP increase : 16 points Endure : 8 points Iron body : 1 point Slash blast : 20 points. Power strike : 20 points. Second job : Fighter. Sword mastery: 20 points Axe mastery: 20 points Sword booster: 20 points Axe booster: 20 points Rage: 3 points Power Guard: 30 points Third job : Crusader. Combo attack : 30 points Panic sword: 25 points panic axe: 30 points this is so far till lv98, i want to do this (66 points left till lv120) Panic sword : 30 points Shout : 30 points. Armor crash : 14 points Rage: 20 points my archmage is training my warrior, so i dont need skills like FA, or Coma, , im getting rage since it was upgraded till +12 attack, what do you think about this? is armor crush worth to max ?

WrathX 06/10/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Uhm... Seems like a weird build, even though I know that you're trying out for hybrid.

Annihilatron 06/10/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Let me tell you how you fail. 1. Maxing HP increase is a must. You do that first and formost. The order of skills matters. 2. There's no point training your warrior with another class. You won't have any clue how to play one. 3. Hybrid fails epically. There's no reason to use an axe, ever, if you plan to get to 4th job. 4. If you are comaless, you will be lawled at. 5. Skipping rage until late AND skipping relax means skipping the two moneysaving skills until late. 6. You don't even know what armour crash is for? Do you know what power and magic crash are for? 7. How do you plan to leech something that is way, way below leechable levels? If you're going to leech, at least get powerguard early, duh? 8. People will lawl at you in CPQ if you don't have Rage at level 45. 9. Building a crusader hybrid from the start is fail.

sum111111111 06/11/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I don't know why you would even make a hero if you're not going to play it for the first like 130 levels. Where's the fun of playing a warrior/fighter/crusader? How are you going to get your character handling down without experience? I'm assuming you'll be leeching yourself throughout the rest of 3rd job and into early 4th job so that you don't get owned by not having FA. Max coma, it will have its occasional uses. &I don't know why you went hybrid, there's no point in doing so. &I have no idea why you skipped rage in 2nd job to get axe mastery/booster, unless you leeched yourself through 2nd job too.

sonny2000 Jun 11 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Annihilatron said: "Let me tell you how you fail. 1. Maxing HP increase is a must. You do that first and formost. The order of skills matters. 2. There's no point training your warrior with another class. You won't have any clue how to play one. 3. Hybrid fails epically. There's no reason to use an axe, ever, if you plan to get to 4th job. 4. If you are comaless, you will be lawled at. 5. Skipping rage until late AND skipping relax means skipping the two moneysaving skills until late. 6. You don't even know what armour crash is for? Do you know what power and magic crash are for? 7. How do you plan to leech something that is way, way below leechable levels? If you're going to leech, at least get powerguard early, duh? 8. People will lawl at you in CPQ if you don't have Rage at level 45. 9. Building a crusader hybrid from the start is fail." i dont pretend to be offensive but, are you really that stupid or you dont read properly? Annihilatron said: "1. Maxing HP increase is a must. You do that first and formost. The order of skills matters." 1.what the hell do you think this means? sonny2000 said: "Note: This was not the order that i used to raise the skills." of course i maxed Max HP increase way before anything else (except the pre requisite), even before i got lv1 power strike. Annihilatron said: "2. There's no point training your warrior with another class. You won't have any clue how to play one" 2.You dont need to be a genius to know how to play a character. Annihilatron said: "3. Hybrid fails epically. There's no reason to use an axe, ever, if you plan to get to 4th job." 3.Hybrid fails at the current state of GMS, if you think only about the present, you failed already. Annihilatron said: "4. If you are comaless, you will be lawled at." 4.Coma is used to train, i dont train, so i dont get coma? the stun % is nice, but shout has a better one, 95%, which is better than 90%. Annihilatron said: "5. Skipping rage until late AND skipping relax means skipping the two moneysaving skills until late." 5.if you dont remember correctly, rage was recently changed, from 10 att to 12 att when is maxed, if you wanted to be weak, rage was the way to go, about relax, LOL, +30 MP recovery every 10 seconds, are you serious? that is like a free brandish every 10 seconds, which is NOTHING, seriously, it is a quarter of a blue pot, which worth how much? 200 mesos? if you need to save that amount of mesos over time, i think you really failed. Annihilatron said: "6. You don't even know what armour crash is for? Do you know what power and magic crash are for?" 6.the descriptions about armor crush are a little vague to me, there is no need to be a jerk, answering the question with another question is dign of an ass. Annihilatron said: "7. How do you plan to leech something that is way, way below leechable levels? If you're going to leech, at least get powerguard early, duh?" 7.LOL, again, you really didnt read this, didnt you? sonny2000 said: "Note: This was not the

taleko 06/11/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

sonny2000 said: " i dont pretend to be offensive but, are you really that stupid or you dont read properly? 1.what the hell do you think this means? of course i maxed Max HP increase way before anything else (except the pre requisite), even before i got lv1 power strike. 2.You dont need to be a genius to know how to play a character. 3.Hybrid fails at the current state of GMS, if you think only about the present, you failed already. 4.Coma is used to train, i dont train, so i dont get coma? the stun % is nice, but shout has a better one, 95%, which is better than 90%. 5.if you dont remember correctly, rage was recently changed, from 10 att to 12 att when is maxed, if you wanted to be weak, rage was the way to go, about relax, LOL, +30 MP recovery every 10 seconds, are you serious? that is like a free brandish every 10 seconds, which is NOTHING, seriously, it is a quarter of a blue pot, which worth how much? 200 mesos? if you need to save that amount of mesos over time, i think you really failed. 6.the descriptions about armor crush are a little vague to me, there is no need to be a jerk, answering the question with another question is dign of an ass. 7.LOL, again, you really didnt read this, didnt you? the first i got when i became fighter was lv3 rage and then PG and started leeching since then, from that point, i leveled till lv98 in 5 days, duh, FYI, seeing how ignorant you are about the subject, the minimun leechable level is Lv26, if you dont know how, i cant help you, try to think. 8.your reading skill levels seem to be underground or non existant, i clearly said on my firsts lines i dont CPQ duh, i AM already Lv98, and the guys who were Lv45 when i was Lv45 are probably Lv50, i am Lv98, who can laugh at who? according to you i fail? you dont even read duh, im level 98 already and i will be Lv130 hero in a few weeks ( lol, i will pass you soon), i already got all my books, my HP and MP at Lv98 are the same or more of Lv170 heroes since im HP washing, i love my char and LOL at you, you cant even read and you are telling me i fail, seriously . . duh." "i dont pretend to be offensive but, are you really that stupid or you dont read properly?" i think someone else'ss stupidity is in question,not his. 2. actually character control is something you cant just gain. even kira, a regular here who PLAYED her pally to 13x tried someone elses 9x crusader and couldnt get it too work right, she has experienced alot of classes and warriors on a PS. 3. "Hybrid fails at the current state of GMS, if you think only about the present, you failed already." a sader hybrid build will always fail, you do not have enough points to max your necessary skills in 3rd job, and even if you are leeching your way to 4th job there is still no reason to do a bodgy hybrid build. Axes have their brandish fallacy and if you are planning to goo axe in the hope they will fix it then you are deluding yourself. 4.Coma is used for damage too, and by your stun% logic then it is bette

sonny2000 Jun 11 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

taleko said: " "i dont pretend to be offensive but, are you really that stupid or you dont read properly?" i think someone else'ss stupidity is in question,not his. 2. actually character control is something you cant just gain. even kira, a regular here who PLAYED her pally to 13x tried someone elses 9x crusader and couldnt get it too work right, she has experienced alot of classes and warriors on a PS. 3. "Hybrid fails at the current state of GMS, if you think only about the present, you failed already." a sader hybrid build will always fail, you do not have enough points to max your necessary skills in 3rd job, and even if you are leeching your way to 4th job there is still no reason to do a bodgy hybrid build. Axes have their brandish fallacy and if you are planning to goo axe in the hope they will fix it then you are deluding yourself. 4.Coma is used for damage too, and by your stun% logic then it is better to leave shout at 4 for the glitched 100% success rate. 5. rage was , and will always be an extremely important skill for saders and hero's. also relax is much better than #6. 6. how often will you boss without a priest/bishop without dispel? 7. you leeched through the EASIEST PART OF YOUR MAPLE CAREER, how do you expect to deal with the single digit p/h exp you will be getting soon? 8. we can laugh at you because of your lack of control you will have. sure you lvl'ed high through leeching but lvl is not what maple is about. dude just give up. all you will create is a brandish mule." 1) if you dont backup your points, your words are void, i based my appreciation of his estupidity based on his inability to read and due to that, he made incorrect assumptions, and what you are doing is just typing something with no back up at all. 2) character control depends of the player's skill, not everyone has the same skills. 3) i created an hybrid since 2nd job, and i was building my hero since 3rd job, i took off all the skills that you wont ever use in 4th job, coma has no use once you have brandish, so that is 30 points, a nice saving thanks to leeching, what else are you going to get if you dont get coma? shield mastery is out of the question, relax is related to meso saving capabilities, but IMO those savings are insignificant, id rather to have a second weapon option, even if that option is not the best compared with its counterpart (swords), having another option is always better than being restricted to only 1, also, i dont expect they improve the formulal for axe users, i took the hybrid build, because 1) i had 30 points available, and 2) im expecting new weapons in the future, you dont know what might come. 4) yes, coma is used for damage too, but as i said, im building a hero, not a crusader, i wont need coma for anything if that matters. about shout, i didnt know it was glitched, but you just contradicted your logic in your previous point, if you are hoping that it will remain glitched then you are deluding yourself. 5) rage was the cheaper

taleko Jun 11 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

sonny2000 said: " 1) if you dont backup your points, your words are void, i based my appreciation of his estupidity based on his inability to read and due to that, he made incorrect assumptions, and what you are doing is just typing something with no back up at all. 2) character control depends of the player's skill, not everyone has the same skills. 3) i created an hybrid since 2nd job, and i was building my hero since 3rd job, i took off all the skills that you wont ever use in 4th job, coma has no use once you have brandish, so that is 30 points, a nice saving thanks to leeching, what else are you going to get if you dont get coma? shield mastery is out of the question, relax is related to meso saving capabilities, but IMO those savings are insignificant, id rather to have a second weapon option, even if that option is not the best compared with its counterpart (swords), having another option is always better than being restricted to only 1, also, i dont expect they improve the formulal for axe users, i took the hybrid build, because 1) i had 30 points available, and 2) im expecting new weapons in the future, you dont know what might come. 4) yes, coma is used for damage too, but as i said, im building a hero, not a crusader, i wont need coma for anything if that matters. about shout, i didnt know it was glitched, but you just contradicted your logic in your previous point, if you are hoping that it will remain glitched then you are deluding yourself. 5) rage was the cheaper and weakest option ever since warrior elixirs were released with NLC. so if you dont have mesos and dont care about those extra +2 attack, rage was the way to go, it was improved recently, for the joy of the meso savers. 6) as i said before, answering a question with another question, is dign of an ass. 7) i know the first 130 levels are the easiest ones, i have done many things on this game, expecting that i will get bored because the low exp rates is a falacy, if you train slow, that is you, there are always better ways to train or get more experience than usual, you just have to think outside the box. 8) ROLF, you have no idea of what i am building, i am making a character that will be able to survive 34k magical attacks and 58k physical attacks, controling that beast will be easy for me, all depends on how skilled the operator is. Exactly, you got that right, a powerful brandish mule tho." 1. if you dont backup your points, your words are void, my appreciation your stupidity based on your inability to use your brain, you make incorrect assumptions, what you are doing is just typing something with no back up at all. 2.character control depends of the player's skill and experience, if you cut out your experience you have no hope. 3. they would have to release an axe with about 14% more base att and the SAME speed as the 2h sword counterpart to even attempt to compete with swords. (even considering axe's cheaper scrolling). in other words, not going to happen. 4.it is you

sonny2000 Jun 11 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

taleko said: " 1. if you dont backup your points, your words are void, my appreciation your stupidity based on your inability to use your brain, you make incorrect assumptions, what you are doing is just typing something with no back up at all. 2.character control depends of the player's skill and experience, if you cut out your experience you have no hope. 3. they would have to release an axe with about 14% more base att and the SAME speed as the 2h sword counterpart to even attempt to compete with swords. (even considering axe's cheaper scrolling). in other words, not going to happen. 4.it is your logic that is flawed, it has been glitched since the job has come out, and yes nexon knows about it. have they tried to fix it in the last 3 years? no. 5. cool 2 att is going to make me train UBER FASTER! 2 att is NOTHING! 6. calling someone an ass is another sign of an ass. 7. they why bother playing GMS anyway? 8.yeah survive magical attacks OVER the HP limit, GJ. oh and think about this. also with PG you receive 60% of the regular physical attack. so you would be able to survive a 50k hit with PG on, not 58k. its all experience, not skill, you build your skills through experience. it will be a weak brandish mule. i doubt you have the funds/commitment to actually pull off what you think you are attempting. Are you done trolling yet?" 1) huh? that does not even make sense, point out my incorrect assumptions. 2) experience can be earned, i probably wont know how to pull off a Crusader's maximal potential since i wont ever play mine, but Hero will be different, since i will actually play him. 3) you dont know what is going to happen, nor do i, but its just better to be prepared for anything. 4) By your logic, is better to trust on Nexon's incompetence and leave it at level 4, because hey wont ever fix it, id rather not to trust on that. 5) 2 attack is a lot when you are in the verge of your maximal potential, are clean face stompers nothing?, is the difference between a 12 and 10 attack MoN nothing? 6) no, it is just a simply observation. but if someone asks a question, if you dont want to answer it, that is okay, but trying to use the lack of knowledge to mock of someone, well, i said it before. 7) Huh? again i dont see the relation between trying to train faster and what you just typed. 8) You forgot achilles, see my point? you dont even know what your own class can do and you are talking trash based on your ignorance, if you dont know about the subject, the best is to not give your opinion about it. it is true that experience helps a lot, perhaps playing this game for almost 4 years so far might help me. even when i trained other classes, i always figured out things on how to train another chars under different conditions, and possible ways to train them faster than usual. LOL, what are you based on to say it will be weak? it is all about equipments, saying that without not knowing about what can i afford or get its just a ridiculous attempt to try

taleko Jun 11 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

"i can do this, read my listing for more info" all you have is a bish, you are selling leech and you have leeched your warrior to a high lvl, you plan to buy it high lvl equips, WOW NOW U A HERO OMG SO GODLY! is that what you expect? it would be priceless to see the look on your face after you arent taken on any zakum runs or anything else because you die after being 1/1'd. heres some advice, dont make this 'uber funded' 'uber leeched' 'uber hp washed' character, go make a BM or a NL or something. warriors are generally the slowest trainers throughout the game, especially end game wise. if you plan on making it lvl 130 forever then wait for KoC instead. also what lvl do you plan to have max achilles bybecause it comes pretty late in a most hero's builds and sorry to say your leeching bish can only get you so far.

sonny2000 Jun 11 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

taleko said: ""i can do this, read my listing for more info" all you have is a bish, you are selling leech and you have leeched your warrior to a high lvl, you plan to buy it high lvl equips, WOW NOW U A HERO OMG SO GODLY! is that what you expect? it would be priceless to see the look on your face after you arent taken on any zakum runs or anything else because you die after being 1/1'd. heres some advice, dont make this 'uber funded' 'uber leeched' 'uber hp washed' character, go make a BM or a NL or something. warriors are generally the slowest trainers throughout the game, especially end game wise. if you plan on making it lvl 130 forever then wait for KoC instead. also what lvl do you plan to have max achilles bybecause it comes pretty late in a most hero's builds and sorry to say your leeching bish can only get you so far." aw, you were unable to refute any of my previous posts, so you had to look over my other posts to try to find something? i dont have a bishop, i am already invited to zakum runs it is pretty easy to be a runner, perhaps a lv108 crusader like you dont know it LOL, does anyone invites you?, about achilles, the plan is to get it in later levels, enough to take those damages i was talking about and you just forgot entirely about achilles, therefore, you were talking BS, because a Hero/Pally can take 34k and 58k damage, i will leech only till lvel 130 if that matters, about leeching till higher levels, it can be done, if you dont know anything about that, it is another story.

spoonmeatloa 06/11/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

stupid troll. and your plan was an epic fail.

Annihilatron 06/11/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

You are a moron. Enjoy burning massive numbers of pots and quitting your crappy hybrid hero when you realize you don't like it. Get out.

sonny2000 Jun 11 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Annihilatron said: "You are a moron. Enjoy burning massive numbers of pots and quitting your crappy hybrid hero when you realize you don't like it. Get out." ROLF, what a falacy, HP washed heroes save a lot of pots since % based pots help us more than to the regular ones, a hornster heals me 8740 HP, even till the end, your ignorance is astonishing. get out? you are the idiot who cant properly read, you get out of my thread moron.

taleko 06/11/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

sonny2000 said: " ROLF, what a falacy, HP washed heroes save a lot of pots since % based pots help us more than to the regular ones, a hornster heals me 8740 HP, even till the end, your ignorance is astonishing. get out? you are the idiot who cant properly read, you get out of my thread moron." try doing what he tells you before you call him a moron and an idiot in the same post.