dragon shiner bow

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thread starter tgamej May 16 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

is 2 bil enough to buy a godly draogon shiner bow(yellow labeled)? just curious, haven't seen one in fm

behemoth79 05/16/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

anyone who believes in bait scrolling, Vegas casinos called. they could use you on the roulette tables. "its been red the last 5 spins, this one HAS to be black" the action of scrolling is an independent event. one scroll has ZERO bearing on the other one. for bait scrolling to work, they would have had to encoded that into the program. and if they did, it would be a fixed code, meaning you could find out EXACTLY which scroll would work. once you do that, youre rich. no game creator programs that kind of a loophole in their own system. just forget the whole bait scrolling idea. IT DOESNT WORK!

UseTheForce May 16 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Here's a bowman's scrolling reference you can actually rely on. The chance of landing, out of 7 30%s: 2 or more 30%s out of 7 30%s = 67.05828% 3 or more 30%s out of 7 30%s = 35.29305% 4 or more 30%s out of 7 30%s = 12.6036% 5 or more 30%s out of 7 30%s = 2.87955% 6 or more 30%s out of 7 30%s = 0.37908% Rate of destruction for 7 30%s = 95.09777211% It would take someone about 20 tries and 140 30%s to get one of the above results. The chance of landing: 2 30%s, all of them work = 9%, rate of destruction = 57.75% --- + 10 atk 3 30%s, all of them work = 2.7%, rate of destruction = 72.5375% --- + 15 atk 4 30%s, all of them work = 0.81%, rate of destruction = 82.149375% --- + 20 atk 5 30%s, all of them work = 0.243%, rate of destruction = 88.39709375% --- + 25 atk 6 30%s, all of them work = 0.0729%, rate of destruction = 92.45811094% --- + 30 atk 7 30%s, all of them work = 0.02187%, rate of destruction = 95.09777211% --- + 35 atk It's extremely hard to get 2 30%s to work on a clean item, and anything above is nearly impossible. The chance of landing, out of 2 30%s and then 5 60%s: all scrolls work = 0.69984% --- + 20 atk 2 30%s and 4 or more 60%s = 3.03264% --- + 18 atk 2 30%s and 3 or more 60%s = 6.14304% --- + 16 atk 1 30%s and 5 60%s = 3.26592% --- + 15 atk 1 30%s and 4 or more 60%s = 14.15232% --- +13 atk 1 30%s and 3 or more 60%s = 28.66752% --- +11 atk Rate of destruction = 57.75% The chance of landing, out of 3 30%s and then 4 60%s: all scrolls work = 0.34992% --- + 23 atk 3 30%s and 3 or more 60%s = 1.28304% --- + 21 atk 3 30%s and 2 or more 60%s = 2.21616% --- + 19 atk 3 30%s and 1 or more 60%s = 2.63088% --- + 18 atk 2 30%s and 4 or more 60%s = 2.44944% --- + 18 atk 2 30%s and 3 or more 60%s = 8.98128% --- + 16 atk Rate of destruction = 72.5375% Yellow-labeled items are +20 stats from clean, I think (correct me if I'm wrong). This means that if the scroller used 7 30%s (after ~20 times to get a surviving item), the chance is ~12% that the item will have +20 stats or more; and the chance that anyone with 7 30%s to get such an item is ~0.6%. With ~167 items scrolled with 7 30%s, one of them will be yellow-labeled...and to factor in the number of clean Shiner Bows on the market, that is very, very hard to get. Assuming that each 30% is bought and costs 9m each, that would be 10.521 billion mesos--but of course, most items are destroyed before it reaches the 7th scroll. The correct total cost would be much lower. Your best bet would be to get one with 3 30%s and 3 or more 60%s out of 3 30%s and 4 60%s--the chance is ~0.9% (0.3% higher than using 7 30%s). Now assuming that each 30% costs 9m and 60%s 2m, the raw cost would be 3.885 billion mesos. Assuming each clean, avg Shiner costs 10m, the wep cost would be 1b (4.885b total cost). Since the rate of destruction is (see above) ~72.5%, most items are destroyed before the usage of 60%s. However, even 72.5375%*4.885b=~3.5b, which is way more than 2b. Therefore, based on my rough estimate, 2b is NOT e

Starbomba May 17 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

UseTheForce said: "Yellow-labeled items are +20 stats from clean, I think (correct me if I'm wrong). This means that if the scroller used 7 30%s (after ~20 times to get a surviving item), the chance is ~12% that the item will have +20 stats or more; and the chance that anyone with 7 30%s to get such an item is ~0.6%." i think golden items are +35 or so. my xbow was a 102 base atk (4 over avg), landed 2 30% and 3 60%. that's 2 DEX, 16 ATK, and 9 Acc. if i had scrolled an average one, it'd be +31 stats, and even with that many extra stats it still has a purple aura EDIT: unless, for some idiotic reason, Acc bonuses aren't taken into account in weapons, only in DEX WGs (saw a perfect 5 10%/30% DEX WG shining gold)

RealKatana 05/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Why a dragon shiner? I'm just curious.

tgamej 05/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

well... i just wonder ppl have the luck n scrolls to make purple nisrocks....y the hell they cant put that rythem on a shiner? i guess 3+ bil could do it then...for now

Starbomba May 17 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

tgamej said: "well... i just wonder ppl have the luck n scrolls to make purple nisrocks....y the hell they cant put that rythem on a shiner? i guess 3+ bil could do it then...for now" have you heard of mass scrolling? it's not that everyone can pull an uber rare weapon, risking to try to land at least 3 30% on the first 3 slots and aiming for +20-25 w.atk on their first try (like i did with my neschere <3) add to it the extreme rarity of shiners... and there ya go

Rayna01 05/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

OMG - dragon shiner is so sexy. give me a free one please! xD j/k

tgamej 05/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

i dont think it's that hard to make a shiner....buy a white nisrock for 221 nx on mts, then get 20 dragon spirits and scales and some dex n str crystal u'll have a normal shiner made out in leafre....talking about avaliablity, i guess it's the cost to make....well i broke like 4 shiners and i guess i should quit wasting moneys,but still, i don't know if there's some one out there at least have a purple shiner or above.

Desiderata03 05/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

tgamej said: "i dont think it's that hard to make a shiner....buy a white nisrock for 221 nx on mts, then get 20 dragon spirits and scales and some dex n str crystal u'll have a normal shiner made out in leafre....talking about avaliablity, i guess it's the cost to make....well i broke like 4 shiners and i guess i should quit wasting moneys,but still, i don't know if there's some one out there at least have a purple shiner or above." Compare: buy a white nisrock for 221 nx on mts, then get 20 dragon spirits and scales and some dex n str crystal u'll have a normal shiner made out in leafre....talking about avaliablity, i guess it's the cost to make to: buy a nisrock on mts (or buy or find one from any of the more common monsters that drop) Dragon Spirits and Scales are fairly rare, and DEX and STR crystals don't exactly fall from the sky either. It may not be impossible to make 1 every now and then, but mass scrolling on the same scale as Nisrocks just isn't possible.

ksazn 05/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

The most safest yet expensive way I know on how to scroll a godly dragon shiners 1. buy 70 white scrolls 2. buy 70 10% bow attack scrolls 3. use white scroll, then use 10% bow attack scroll 4. repeat until all scrolls are used 5. if you still have slots left, buy more white scrolls and more bow attack scrolls 5.5 scroll again until all slots are filled 6.? 7.....7 eight nine! 8. double click on your new dragon shiner bow 9.buy item lock

UseTheForce 05/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Assuming each White Scroll costs 400m, that would be 28b. 4808 30%s cost 43.2736b. So yes, that is both the safest and cheapest way to scroll a perfect bow.

koalakid44 05/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

30% would blow them up, i think you mean 10% you can't compare nisrocks with shiners because one, availability is like 10:1 or w/e u get the point, that also lead to nisrocks being hella cheap, i just bought a 99 atk clean nisrock for 16 mil, so thats like a 101 shiner. Just because there are plenty of purple nisrocks doesn't mean there should be the same for shiners

lugia123 05/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

(off topic-by a lot) speaking of purple nisrocks... anyone have a 109/110 ark nisrock for sale if so pls msg me w/ price :P

behemoth79 05/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Desiderata03 said: " Compare: buy a white nisrock for 221 nx on mts." last i check you cant put up a bow for sale in mts. could be wrong though.

DarkHarm May 18 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

behemoth79 said: " last i check you cant put up a bow for sale in mts. could be wrong though." You can buy/sell White Nisrocks, Golden Nisrocks, and BoMds in the Trade Shop. You cant buy/sell any other bows.