Hermit's flash jump

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thread starter pandalover Apr 26 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

well i was thinking that for my hermit i would like to put 2 in FJ everytime i lvl starting from lvl 72 and the other sp would go to SP or Avenger i was more thinking of avenger so i can train at spiders, gobies, and other places with mobs. if you guys can help me i was wondering if i should get Avenger by lvl 13 when im lvl 80 or get 8in SP when im lvl 80 also if u have some similar build to this please post or if u can recomend me some traing spots for this build. also im dexless so im kinda already strong with out SP but yes SP would help but mob training is usally the fastest way to lvl

lazer321 Apr 26 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

NO! NO AVENGER i put started adding in mine for the mobs but even at 9 it doesnt seem to beat my L7 in a noticeable way just keep it at 5, enough for fj ( 4 fj > 1 fj, its worth it ) GO SHADOW PARTNER edit: by 4>1 fj, i mean that it feels more flash jumpy, not more... usefull than 2/3 on it

bombinator 04/26/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

If you're going to train at spiders and gobies.... Avenger is going to suck without Shadow Partner. Trust me. The only place SPless-Avenger excels at is windraiders but even then you could just snipe them to death with your lucky 7. Also... You don't need that much FJ that early unless you want to delay the maxing of your shadow partner/avenger by one level. 1 FJ already suffices for hopping those platforms at windraiders.

singhninja2 04/26/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ur build is horrible sorry to say but u will regret it if u follow that build get 5 avenger and 1 fj which is enough for now, then max sp and then work on avenegr so u can train at ws and gobies in the late 80s but even in the late 80s windraiders are the best place to train

kiwiboy30 04/27/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Hmm, considering that you say you are already strong because you are dexless... I guess that makes sense that you can leave SP for later... And it sounds like you are set on having FJ as your priority. If you truly think you are strong enough then I'd continue level up Avenger over SP. SP is suppose to increase your DPS... but it sounds like you are fine with your DPS right now. So it would be overkill if you leveled up SP. Leveling up Avenger will allow you to have a mob skill... which is nice to have since all the way up until now you haven't had a mob skill.

Kommie 04/28/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

SP to 30 5 Avenger 1 FJ Max Avenger Max FJ

Nevertari 04/28/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

kiwiboy30 said: "Hmm, considering that you say you are already strong because you are dexless... I guess that makes sense that you can leave SP for later... And it sounds like you are set on having FJ as your priority. If you truly think you are strong enough then I'd continue level up Avenger over SP. SP is suppose to increase your DPS... but it sounds like you are fine with your DPS right now. So it would be overkill if you leveled up SP. Leveling up Avenger will allow you to have a mob skill... which is nice to have since all the way up until now you haven't had a mob skill." sorry but i can ditch some nice damage and i stil want SP(now 77 and like maxing that skilll......). it makes training faster and give opporunity's to train on other maps. (warning drains stars) if you want FS get 5avenger and 1 FS then bomb SP to max. you will train faster then avenger for sure then....

TehKeep3r 04/28/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Nevertari said: " sorry but i can ditch some nice damage and i stil want SP(now 77 and like maxing that skilll......). it makes training faster and give opporunity's to train on other maps. (warning drains stars) if you want FS get 5avenger and 1 FS then bomb SP to max. you will train faster then avenger for sure then...." Facestompers? o.O

DeathNecro1 04/28/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

As the rest of the people have said, in an un-organized fashion, Shadow Partner is the way to go. The common build follows this somewhat: Level 70: 1 Avenger Level 71: 3 Avenger (4 Avenger Total) Level 72: 1 Avenger, 1 FlashJump, 1 Shadow Partner (5 Avenger, 1 Flash Jump, 1 Shadow Partner) Level 73-83: Shadow Partner, MAX at 83. +2 in Avenger Then just max what you want. I would mix Avenger and Flashjump. They are both usefull. Im level 77 and my Skill Build was as follows: +1 Avenger +13 Shadow Partner +4 Avenger +4 Flash Jump The rest into Shadow Partner till MAX. Then Im going +2 Avenger +1 Flash Jump. Shadow Partner doubles in length at level 11. From 1 to 2 mintues and is at about 27% Special Damage (lucky sevens) At level 15(?) Shadow Partner will hit 30% of your damage on special attacks. So when I throw 3k, he will hit 1k. (decent) Also, I suggest doubling your total stars. I have 6 illbis and 5 steely, 1 tobi (warning star) They last about 40min-1hour of training with Shadow Partner.

hey88 04/28/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Avenger is one of the most stupidest mobbing move in MS. Especially since you are a dexless sin you avenger dmg would be crap because the damage is calculated differently from lucky seven to avenger. So you might do really good dmg with lucky seven but your damage would be garbage with avenger. Follow what the build DeathNecro1 stated, its pretty good.

IceColdShield 04/28/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

hey88 said: "Avenger is one of the most stupidest mobbing move in MS. Especially since you are a dexless sin you avenger dmg would be crap because the damage is calculated differently from lucky seven to avenger. So you might do really good dmg with lucky seven but your damage would be garbage with avenger. Follow what the build DeathNecro1 stated, its pretty good." I'm not a Hermit, but I'll disagree. If Hermits in their higher levels can train with Avenger, it's gotta be pretty good, right? And just because he's Dexless, his Avenger damage isn't going to be that bad. Avenger has 60% Mastery over L7's 50% and will easily outdamage L7 on a mob of 3+ easily. :D @TS: Go SP first!

Nevertari 04/28/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

hey88 04/28/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

IceColdShield said: " I'm not a Hermit, but I'll disagree. If Hermits in their higher levels can train with Avenger, it's gotta be pretty good, right? And just because he's Dexless, his Avenger damage isn't going to be that bad. Avenger has 60% Mastery over L7's 50% and will easily outdamage L7 on a mob of 3+ easily. :D @TS: Go SP first!" If you are not a hermit yourself than how can you argue with me. Do you know why everyone goes dexless. People go dexless because mastery of lucky 7 is calculated differently from avenger, drain and regular attack. Lucky 7 is based on how much luck you have while avenger, drain and regular attack are based on how much attack you have. So people go dexless to increase their luck to increase their damage for lucky 7 greatly. Since he is dexless his luck is extremely high hence doing really high damage with lucky seven while all his other attacks fail to even come close the the damage of lucky 7. Nevertari said: " then you dont know the power of venom...." We are not talking about 4th job. We all know how powerful venom is and by the time you reach 4th job hermits gets to max out all their attacking moves and even have left over skill points.

orangeking11 04/28/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

hey88 said: " If you are not a hermit yourself than how can you argue with me. Do you know why everyone goes dexless. People go dexless because mastery of lucky 7 is calculated differently from avenger, drain and regular attack. Lucky 7 is based on how much luck you have while avenger, drain and regular attack are based on how much attack you have. So people go dexless to increase their luck to increase their damage for lucky 7 greatly. Since he is dexless his luck is extremely high hence doing really high damage with lucky seven while all his other attacks fail to even come close the the damage of lucky 7. " Even though he's not a Hermit, he is correct. If you're Normal/Low/Dexless, all of us get 50% Mastery from L7 and 60% for other attacks. Check your DPM on 3+ targets using L7+SP compared to Avenger +SP. xD And you don't have to be a Hermit to argue about Hermit attacks. What you know about a job is more important then what job you are when it comes to comparing facts and ideas. xD

qrackz 04/28/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

GAH! 1 fj, max sp, max avenger.. f3f3f3