wow need to calm down , go PM each other and ks each other to see who better.

never a bad time to put this in a thread turning into a fight over a stupid topic. link

i'd hit that

chiway11 said: "WOW why are people writing essays on here? LMFAO"

skazo said: " I already said spamming brandish does more damage than brandish + coma/panic. Can you understand that? Nobody said anything about levels, eh? So you're going to have a level 1 character with 700 str? Please, you used 700 str and 50 dex as stats. That is the equivalent of level 146. Nothing about levels you say..." "So you're going to have a level 1 character with 700 str?" Don't be immature about it. Yes... you can do 400 STR and 50 DEX for all I care and the damage difference will

SHWEET I know him, he's in my guild :D. Tony, if you are reading this, HI.

themags said: " nobody said anything about training either and nobody said anything about levels. you could be using even lower str and dex stats for all i care. we are talking about damage here." I already said spamming brandish does more damage than brandish + coma/panic. Can you understand that? Nobody said anything about levels, eh? So you're going to have a level 1 character with 700 str? Please, you used 700 str and 50 dex as stats. That is the equivalent of level 146. Nothing about levels

skazo said: " Hah, the irony of your statement. And I feel the need to restate myself because you keeping failing to include those factors. Assuming that the 700 str and 50 dex (4 int/luk) are base stats- 758 total stats. -25 (base stats) 733 stats. /5 = about level 146. At level 146, brandish with max combos and no panic/coma will have a higher DPS. At that level, a hero would be training at skelegons. Using panic/coma at skelegons is a waste because you'll 2 hit them for the most part with bra

themags said: "@ skazo: you're just repeating yourself in a circle. I've said it before and I'll say it again in summary" Hah, the irony of your statement. And I feel the need to restate myself because you keeping failing to include those factors. themags said: "As for your DPS calculations you also have to factor in Brandish + Panic/Coma for damage calculations. Given that Brandish only gives you an orb on the 1st swing and not the second, the PS + FA + Panic/Coma gives you an advantage of gett

@ skazo: you're just repeating yourself in a circle. I've said it before and I'll say it again in summary. 1H wins in every scenario at the expense of having to spend a lot more. As for your DPS calculations you also have to factor in Brandish + Panic/Coma for damage calculations. Given that Brandish only gives you an orb on the 1st swing and not the second, the PS + FA + Panic/Coma gives you an advantage of getting more orbs for more damage... but in the end, Brandish + Panic/Coma outdamages PS

themags said: " you really need to read before you post. I already mentioned it before that speed IS a factor, and that Stonetooth is better than 1h/shield combo. However, if you don't have the funds for stonetooth, godly 1h/shield combo is better... BUT you still need to shell out an extra 600-700mil to match or overpower a 2h sword user. And as it is already pointed out before by other people, if money is not your problem, then more power to you. If it is, the amount of time gaining 600-700mil

skazo said: " Well then for your damage range calculations, you also need to factor in attack speed. You make it seem like the swords are equal speeds." you really need to read before you post. I already mentioned it before that speed IS a factor, and that Stonetooth is better than 1h/shield combo. However, if you don't have the funds for stonetooth, godly 1h/shield combo is better... BUT you still need to shell out an extra 600-700mil to match or overpower a 2h sword user. And as it is already

themags said: " nobody said it has to be stonetooth....if that was a stonetooth, of course it would be different... then again, if you are dexless or low dexless and has the funds to equip godly dex gear to use stonetooth, it wouldn't be a problem for you. I only mentioned stonetooth because the guy said it was slower than the 100 sparta even though they were both fast (5) speed. But yes, having stonetooth requires 120 dex." Well then for your damage range calculations, you also need to factor i

skazo said: " "Let's say the character has 700 STR and 50 DEX... here are the damage formula comparison..." Since when did a stonetooth require only 50 dex?" nobody said it has to be stonetooth....if that was a stonetooth, of course it would be different... then again, if you are dexless or low dexless and has the funds to equip godly dex gear to use stonetooth, it wouldn't be a problem for you. I only mentioned stonetooth because the guy said it was slower than the 100 sparta even though they w

themags said: " Here lies the difference. The damage multiplier for 2H swords are higher than for 1h swords. If a 2h sword and 1h sword have the same attack, the 2h sword will do more damage because of the damage formula. Based on the formula I gave earlier, a 2h sword user that has 150 Weapon attack VS. a 1h sword user with 165 weapon attack from 1h sword and shield, 2h sword still does more damage. Even if the 1h sword user has 172 attack, the 150 attack 2h sword user still does more damage. I